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Piracy is not justification.You should not pirate apps in first place. you are breaking law here. Now since you were using the app & enjoying all its benefits

Piracy is not justification.You should not pirate apps in first place. you are breaking law here. Now since you were using the app & enjoying all its benefits -- its developers are full rights to get paid for their labour & hard work.

jamaicahest 15y ago
So because he stole the app, the developer is allowed to steal money from him? What kind of logic is that?
- jeffool 15y ago
  The developer didn't steal anything. At most, Apple did. But there's probably wording in the agreement about services for payment and Apple taking the payment. Their reasoning likely being he took the service, so they took the money. Legal? Probably not, but he has no recourse. But it reminds me of when people call the cops and say "arrest that person; they stole my drugs!"
  - baddox 15y ago
    I'm not demanding recourse, and I'm not even saying that I am justified in pirating an app. However, I often pirate apps to try them, and the vast majority that I try are terrible, and I uninstall them almost immediately. Therefore, legality aside, I'm not ethically concerned that I'm "stealing" potential revenue from the app developer if I only use their app for 5 minutes. My point is, this was definitely a bug in the app store, because before any charge there should be a clear modal confirmation dialog (and there normally is).
    - jeffool 15y ago
      Honestly I've got no problem with what you did. I'm just saying that they probably covered themselves in the legalese. For instance, my cable company recently shut off my Internet due to excessive DMCA complaints. They told me they had a "four strike" policy. They cut me after three. I could threaten a lawsuit, even if it would be silly, but that would potentially open me up for other legal attacks, so I'm forced to walk away. So all I'm saying is that they got you in a tight spot, and they've probably paid enough lawyers to make sure they're covered. Their hardware detected software, so they charged you for it. I find it hard to imagine they haven't written it up to cover themselves.
baddox 15y ago
That's bogus. "Piracy is not justification" doesn't make any sense. What am I trying to justify? I was pointing out a clear bug in the app store: under no circumstances should an unsolicited and unconfirmed charge appear on my account. My pirating an app does not give Apple the right to charge my account without asking me. Apple's the one that I trusted my credit card info with, and it's their responsibility to not put any unexpected and unsolicited charges on it. I'm not even trying to justify piracy or say it's okay. Regardless of your opinion on piracy, I'm surprised by this sentiment. Are you and the other commenters suggesting that any time you pirate any software or media, it's justifiable for some third party to charge your account for the price of that item? If I download a torrent of thousands of iPhone apps, should I immediately be charged thousands of dollars, whether or not I even use the apps?

jamaicahest 15y ago

So because he stole the app, the developer is allowed to steal money from him? What kind of logic is that?

jeffool 15y ago
The developer didn't steal anything. At most, Apple did. But there's probably wording in the agreement about services for payment and Apple taking the payment. Their reasoning likely being he took the service, so they took the money. Legal? Probably not, but he has no recourse. But it reminds me of when people call the cops and say "arrest that person; they stole my drugs!"
- baddox 15y ago
  I'm not demanding recourse, and I'm not even saying that I am justified in pirating an app. However, I often pirate apps to try them, and the vast majority that I try are terrible, and I uninstall them almost immediately. Therefore, legality aside, I'm not ethically concerned that I'm "stealing" potential revenue from the app developer if I only use their app for 5 minutes. My point is, this was definitely a bug in the app store, because before any charge there should be a clear modal confirmation dialog (and there normally is).
  - jeffool 15y ago
    Honestly I've got no problem with what you did. I'm just saying that they probably covered themselves in the legalese. For instance, my cable company recently shut off my Internet due to excessive DMCA complaints. They told me they had a "four strike" policy. They cut me after three. I could threaten a lawsuit, even if it would be silly, but that would potentially open me up for other legal attacks, so I'm forced to walk away. So all I'm saying is that they got you in a tight spot, and they've probably paid enough lawyers to make sure they're covered. Their hardware detected software, so they charged you for it. I find it hard to imagine they haven't written it up to cover themselves.

baddox 15y ago

That's bogus. "Piracy is not justification" doesn't make any sense. What am I trying to justify? I was pointing out a clear bug in the app store: under no circumstances should an unsolicited and unconfirmed charge appear on my account. My pirating an app does not give Apple the right to charge my account without asking me. Apple's the one that I trusted my credit card info with, and it's their responsibility to not put any unexpected and unsolicited charges on it. I'm not even trying to justify piracy or say it's okay. Regardless of your opinion on piracy, I'm surprised by this sentiment. Are you and the other commenters suggesting that any time you pirate any software or media, it's justifiable for some third party to charge your account for the price of that item? If I download a torrent of thousands of iPhone apps, should I immediately be charged thousands of dollars, whether or not I even use the apps?