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> See this with Airbnb too. They're no longer cheaper than a hotel in many cases and the experience has declined for a variety of reasons. This is such a commo

by danhak 5y ago

> See this with Airbnb too. They're no longer cheaper than a hotel in many cases and the experience has declined for a variety of reasons. This is such a common criticism of Airbnb. Maybe I’m an outlier but my use of Airbnb does not compete with hotels at all: e.g. renting an entire pool house with friends, a secluded cabin out in the mountains or an apartment with full kitchen and laundry for an extended stay in a city center.

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
Anecdotally I view AirBnB as a hotel replacement but like the OP said, I've started going back to hotels because the price/quality just isn't there anymore.
rchaud 5y ago
You could rent party houses well before Airbnb existed. If you needed a full kitchen and laundry, well, that would be the BnB, wouldn't it?
- azinman2 5y ago
  No, BnB means you get breakfast in an inn, often shared with other people you don’t know, in a place that other ppl live in. AirBNB means you have an entire place to yourself.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > AirBNB means you have an entire place to yourself. No, it doesn't.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      You’re right. That’s how I use it but I forgot thats not the only way.
      - lotsofpulp 5y ago
        That lack of distinction and plausible deniability is how the AirBnb hosts skirted around laws requiring a hotel license to use your property as a hotel.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > If you needed a full kitchen and laundry, well, that would be the BnB, wouldn't it? No, that would typically be a “vacation rental” (often, these are also available as timeshares) or an “extended stay hotel” (in-unit facilities are similar, other features and target market tend to differ as the names suggest.) A BnB (which AirBnB’s usually are not) is a “Bed and Breakfast”, which is basically a boutique hotel featuring complimentary full breakfast, usually in a shared-table setting with other guests. They are kind of (in terms of the direction of variation from typical hotels) the opposite direction of vacation rentals with full in-unit laundry and kitchen facilities.
  - rchaud 5y ago
    For some historical context, I point you to Airbnb's 2008 homepage. Back when they spelled out "Bed and Breakfast" in their name. https://twitter.com/WebDesignMuseum/status/1425492985173708802 https://twitter.com/WebDesignMuseum/status/14254929851737088...
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      Yeah, AirBnB definitely originally traded on the idea of the kind of hosting associated with a traditional B&B, but that was pretty typical of the exaggerated “sharing” marketing of regulation-dodging two-sided marketplaces (Uber’s “ridesharing” being the other poster boy for this,)
      - woleium 5y ago
        This initial idea was to ship air mattresses to hosts, that's where the air bit came from.
samatman 5y ago
The first two are outliers I'm pretty sure. All of my very best experiences with AirBnB have been of that kind, for what it's worth; VRBO is just as good for that, or at least, it used to be. I suspect the last one is still pretty common, but/and AirBnB's meat and potatoes is short rentals in desirable neighborhoods of big cities, mostly tourist destinations. Which is what hotels are for, and hotels don't jack up the housing market, cause problems for neighbors, and otherwise annoy the natives. I must confess I've done my fair share of this, I was a 'digital nomad' for almost three years and it comes with the territory. I can confirm that the AirBnB experience for this use case has declined considerably relative to, say, 2014.
mywittyname 5y ago
Many of my recent hotels stays were in units that have been recently remodeled to be suspiciously apartment-like: multiple rooms, working kitchen, laundry facilities, pet-friendly, etc. I don't travel enough since the pandemic to know if this is a nation-wide trend, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a solid market for ABNB-like amenities with chain-hotel consistency.
- halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
  There are chains that have been doing this for decades already; see TownePlace Suites by Marriott.
  - danhak 5y ago
    In my experience, TownePlace and similar brands tend to be located slightly out of the way, often in large commercial developments. Not always walkable or in the heart of where you want to be.
  - handmodel 5y ago
    I absolutely love extended stay hotels. But also if I'm going to a national park with friends - AirBNB has unmatchable options. Perhaps that market is too niche to justify its investors goals (I'm sure most travel is still business travels) but AirBNBs fill an amazing niche.
NationalPark 5y ago
You're thinking of budget hotels, but there's a smaller market of higher end "bed and breakfast" or "inn" style hotels that offer more amenities like an Airbnb but with less regulatory discretion. Those used to be way more expensive than airbnbs but now they're pretty similar. I imagine this is heavily regional though since community-level short term rental legislation is obviously driven by the desires of the specific community advocating for it.

by danhak 5y ago

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago

Anecdotally I view AirBnB as a hotel replacement but like the OP said, I've started going back to hotels because the price/quality just isn't there anymore.

rchaud 5y ago

You could rent party houses well before Airbnb existed. If you needed a full kitchen and laundry, well, that would be the BnB, wouldn't it?

azinman2 5y ago
No, BnB means you get breakfast in an inn, often shared with other people you don’t know, in a place that other ppl live in. AirBNB means you have an entire place to yourself.
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > AirBNB means you have an entire place to yourself. No, it doesn't.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    You’re right. That’s how I use it but I forgot thats not the only way.
    - lotsofpulp 5y ago
      That lack of distinction and plausible deniability is how the AirBnb hosts skirted around laws requiring a hotel license to use your property as a hotel.
dragonwriter 5y ago
> If you needed a full kitchen and laundry, well, that would be the BnB, wouldn't it? No, that would typically be a “vacation rental” (often, these are also available as timeshares) or an “extended stay hotel” (in-unit facilities are similar, other features and target market tend to differ as the names suggest.) A BnB (which AirBnB’s usually are not) is a “Bed and Breakfast”, which is basically a boutique hotel featuring complimentary full breakfast, usually in a shared-table setting with other guests. They are kind of (in terms of the direction of variation from typical hotels) the opposite direction of vacation rentals with full in-unit laundry and kitchen facilities.
- rchaud 5y ago
  For some historical context, I point you to Airbnb's 2008 homepage. Back when they spelled out "Bed and Breakfast" in their name. https://twitter.com/WebDesignMuseum/status/1425492985173708802 https://twitter.com/WebDesignMuseum/status/14254929851737088...
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    Yeah, AirBnB definitely originally traded on the idea of the kind of hosting associated with a traditional B&B, but that was pretty typical of the exaggerated “sharing” marketing of regulation-dodging two-sided marketplaces (Uber’s “ridesharing” being the other poster boy for this,)
    - woleium 5y ago
      This initial idea was to ship air mattresses to hosts, that's where the air bit came from.

samatman 5y ago

The first two are outliers I'm pretty sure. All of my very best experiences with AirBnB have been of that kind, for what it's worth; VRBO is just as good for that, or at least, it used to be. I suspect the last one is still pretty common, but/and AirBnB's meat and potatoes is short rentals in desirable neighborhoods of big cities, mostly tourist destinations. Which is what hotels are for, and hotels don't jack up the housing market, cause problems for neighbors, and otherwise annoy the natives. I must confess I've done my fair share of this, I was a 'digital nomad' for almost three years and it comes with the territory. I can confirm that the AirBnB experience for this use case has declined considerably relative to, say, 2014.

mywittyname 5y ago

Many of my recent hotels stays were in units that have been recently remodeled to be suspiciously apartment-like: multiple rooms, working kitchen, laundry facilities, pet-friendly, etc. I don't travel enough since the pandemic to know if this is a nation-wide trend, but I wouldn't be surprised if there's a solid market for ABNB-like amenities with chain-hotel consistency.

halfmatthalfcat 5y ago
There are chains that have been doing this for decades already; see TownePlace Suites by Marriott.
- danhak 5y ago
  In my experience, TownePlace and similar brands tend to be located slightly out of the way, often in large commercial developments. Not always walkable or in the heart of where you want to be.
- handmodel 5y ago
  I absolutely love extended stay hotels. But also if I'm going to a national park with friends - AirBNB has unmatchable options. Perhaps that market is too niche to justify its investors goals (I'm sure most travel is still business travels) but AirBNBs fill an amazing niche.

NationalPark 5y ago

You're thinking of budget hotels, but there's a smaller market of higher end "bed and breakfast" or "inn" style hotels that offer more amenities like an Airbnb but with less regulatory discretion. Those used to be way more expensive than airbnbs but now they're pretty similar. I imagine this is heavily regional though since community-level short term rental legislation is obviously driven by the desires of the specific community advocating for it.