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Those arent personal attacks I'm truly doubtful of your credentials. A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you? Barry Marsha

Those arent personal attacks I'm truly doubtful of your credentials. A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you? Barry Marshall, Semmelweis, and Galileo would like to have a word. Fascists are not interested in the scientific process of discussion or democracy. Over half the country thinks a policy of wearing a dirty rag on your face until the waiter brings the breadsticks is stupid and unscientific. Over half the country has not had the full vaccine. If it was a vote it would have lost. But fascists aren't interested in democracy or discussion. Fascists are interested in demonizing and suppressing their opponents.

FireBeyond 5y ago
> A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you? No. This is a disingenuous depiction at best. Study: "Do masks hold the virus in the cloth/material and can it survive on that cloth/material". Rand Paul: "Studies (points to the one above) show that masks are unable to prevent the spread of COVID and doesn't stop it". That's not inconclusivity - we don't know "everything" about COVID. That's describing a very limited study as having extremely different conclusions. And what you do learn or should learn in college-level science is that the scope of such studies is specifically limited. Rand Paul, as a physician, should understand that concept. But, needing it to fit a different agenda, he takes the time to make a professionally produced video that repeatedly describes a study that does not say or attempt to say anything close to what he says it does. Again, that's not "open discussion of inconclusive subjects", that's misrepresenting other people's work to meet your political needs.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  >This is a disingenuous depiction at best Numerous studies DO show that masks are unable to prevent the spread of COVID and stop it. Here's a publication stating that cloth Mask usage INCREASED chances of infection. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Here's a collection of studies showing the ineffectiveness of face masks. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ This is still an open discussion but the people like you continue to suppress dissent and demonize the opposition because either your ego is so big or your virtue signaling is so strong, that you can't admin you might be wrong. If Galileo was around right now he would have been deplatformed for trying to tell the world that the Earth revolves around the Sun which was counter to the narrative.
  - FireBeyond 5y ago
    Did you pass elementary school comprehension? Study: in simple terms, "can COVID live on and in masks" Rand Paul: "this study shows that these masks don't prevent COVID". I'm not talking about other studies. I'm not talking about anything else. There are plenty of inconclusive and concerning studies. But Rand Paul, who as you keep reminding us, is far more educated than all of us fascists, wilfully and repeatedly held up the specific study above as being "undeniable proof" of masks being a problem. They may be a problem. But that study doesn't show it. It doesn't imply it. It does nothing other than talk about the ability or lack thereof of the virus to grow and survive in the material of the mask itself. And he knows that, as an educated scientist. And he doesn't care. He also knows that people will see keywords and draw matching conclusions to the factually incorrect statements about the study that he makes, repeatedly. That's why he got banned. Your martyrdom is unbecoming. And your assumptions of my beliefs on the matter are entirely broken because you're too focused on foaming at the mouth about fascists demonizing you while comparing yourself and Rand Paul to Galileo. I work in EMS as a critical care paramedic. Every year I get the flu vaccine because I'm around vulnerable populations a lot. My girlfriend and my step daughter don't get these vaccines, and rather than suppressing and demonizing them, I think that's entirely reasonable, because they're not around those populations as I am. I also have never said - because I don't believe - that every person needs to be vaccinated for COVID. For someone who has spent a large chunk of these discussions building up these strawmen, your radar needs a lot more calibration.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      Numerous studies show that masks don't prevent Covid. He's right. Whether he's wrong about that one article or not (I'm not spending time looking into some technical little gotcha), there are numerous articles that corroborate his claim. Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including technicalitys even if the spirit of the idea is correct. It's what fascists do.
      - chabes 5y ago
        > Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including [technicalities] even if the spirit of the idea is correct. > It’s what fascists do. Nick, you’d be wise to listen to your own advice. It is a fact that masks reduce the spread of disease. They are not a silver bullet, but a tool for mitigation. The idea is to layer multiple risk-mitigating techniques. Masks on their own are not enough, but masks plus distancing plus hand washing plus travel restrictions plus vaccines plus whatever else is somewhat effective combines to be something much more effective. In one comment, you say to “stop spreading misinformation” and in another you say “numerous studies show that masks don’t prevent covid” and follow up with the comments about fascists. You’re literally doing what you say fascists do.

FireBeyond 5y ago

> A discussion about an inconclusive subject=willful misrepresentation to you? No. This is a disingenuous depiction at best. Study: "Do masks hold the virus in the cloth/material and can it survive on that cloth/material". Rand Paul: "Studies (points to the one above) show that masks are unable to prevent the spread of COVID and doesn't stop it". That's not inconclusivity - we don't know "everything" about COVID. That's describing a very limited study as having extremely different conclusions. And what you do learn or should learn in college-level science is that the scope of such studies is specifically limited. Rand Paul, as a physician, should understand that concept. But, needing it to fit a different agenda, he takes the time to make a professionally produced video that repeatedly describes a study that does not say or attempt to say anything close to what he says it does. Again, that's not "open discussion of inconclusive subjects", that's misrepresenting other people's work to meet your political needs.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
>This is a disingenuous depiction at best Numerous studies DO show that masks are unable to prevent the spread of COVID and stop it. Here's a publication stating that cloth Mask usage INCREASED chances of infection. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Here's a collection of studies showing the ineffectiveness of face masks. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ This is still an open discussion but the people like you continue to suppress dissent and demonize the opposition because either your ego is so big or your virtue signaling is so strong, that you can't admin you might be wrong. If Galileo was around right now he would have been deplatformed for trying to tell the world that the Earth revolves around the Sun which was counter to the narrative.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  Did you pass elementary school comprehension? Study: in simple terms, "can COVID live on and in masks" Rand Paul: "this study shows that these masks don't prevent COVID". I'm not talking about other studies. I'm not talking about anything else. There are plenty of inconclusive and concerning studies. But Rand Paul, who as you keep reminding us, is far more educated than all of us fascists, wilfully and repeatedly held up the specific study above as being "undeniable proof" of masks being a problem. They may be a problem. But that study doesn't show it. It doesn't imply it. It does nothing other than talk about the ability or lack thereof of the virus to grow and survive in the material of the mask itself. And he knows that, as an educated scientist. And he doesn't care. He also knows that people will see keywords and draw matching conclusions to the factually incorrect statements about the study that he makes, repeatedly. That's why he got banned. Your martyrdom is unbecoming. And your assumptions of my beliefs on the matter are entirely broken because you're too focused on foaming at the mouth about fascists demonizing you while comparing yourself and Rand Paul to Galileo. I work in EMS as a critical care paramedic. Every year I get the flu vaccine because I'm around vulnerable populations a lot. My girlfriend and my step daughter don't get these vaccines, and rather than suppressing and demonizing them, I think that's entirely reasonable, because they're not around those populations as I am. I also have never said - because I don't believe - that every person needs to be vaccinated for COVID. For someone who has spent a large chunk of these discussions building up these strawmen, your radar needs a lot more calibration.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Numerous studies show that masks don't prevent Covid. He's right. Whether he's wrong about that one article or not (I'm not spending time looking into some technical little gotcha), there are numerous articles that corroborate his claim. Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including technicalitys even if the spirit of the idea is correct. It's what fascists do.
    - chabes 5y ago
      > Fascists deny alternative ideas by any means necessary including [technicalities] even if the spirit of the idea is correct. > It’s what fascists do. Nick, you’d be wise to listen to your own advice. It is a fact that masks reduce the spread of disease. They are not a silver bullet, but a tool for mitigation. The idea is to layer multiple risk-mitigating techniques. Masks on their own are not enough, but masks plus distancing plus hand washing plus travel restrictions plus vaccines plus whatever else is somewhat effective combines to be something much more effective. In one comment, you say to “stop spreading misinformation” and in another you say “numerous studies show that masks don’t prevent covid” and follow up with the comments about fascists. You’re literally doing what you say fascists do.