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And how does that go against any logic? I have seen this kind of criticism against several other movies (e.g. also much of "The Last Jedi", although I don't li

And how does that go against any logic? I have seen this kind of criticism against several other movies (e.g. also much of "The Last Jedi", although I don't like that one for different reasons) and I don't get it. In real life, the things we do aren't part of a great scheme that always leads to some grand goal, sometimes they can be just inconsequential. I don't understand what's wrong with that happening in a movie, in fact I even find it refreshing when a movie forgoes the standard clichés where everything has to "fit" perfectly and if they focused on a seemingly irrelevant object in the initial parts of the movie, you know it has to play a role in the end. The character did live experiences and learn, and we were entertained along the way.

michaelgrafl 5y ago
It's bad storytelling. In stories you break up routines by introducing characters and problems which then eventually get reintegrated. If a big part of the story cancels out during reintegration it doesn't feel right and the ending won't feel satisfying. Obviously in this case the story doesn't get ruined, but in general it's a good idea to not introduce things into a story that won't be needed later on.
- hairofadog 5y ago
  I love the movie, and I agree with you. Big Trouble in Little China is an example where I think they did this intentionally and it worked; Kurt Russell’s character (arguably the main character) doesn’t actually do anything but witness the story, and everything would have turned out more or less the same if he hadn’t been there. In the case of Raiders, I don’t think it was intentional and it didn’t work (though like you say the rest of the movie was so strong and fun it doesn’t matter). I do love the warehouse scene at the end, however, and think about it all the time. Top. Men.
  - Vaslo 5y ago
    I think the great Top Men comments is another excellent detail. When I was a kid I thought there might be some secret team that could work for the government and Indy would have to believe. But now that I’ve worked in research, it’s clear that whatever research field you work in, you absolutely know who the best is. We talked about the best Synthetic chemists all the time. It would be next to impossible for Indy to not know those big names (in the same “notorious” way he knew of Belloq) so it really adds more to the government BS.
  - mjcohen 5y ago
    BTLC makes more sense if you consider Kurt Russell to be the sidekick.
  - ASalazarMX 5y ago
    "Fast reflexes" wrapped up perfectly the movie, though. You see it at the start, you forget it because Burton is mostly useless, then bam, Chekhov's gun ending.

michaelgrafl 5y ago

It's bad storytelling. In stories you break up routines by introducing characters and problems which then eventually get reintegrated. If a big part of the story cancels out during reintegration it doesn't feel right and the ending won't feel satisfying. Obviously in this case the story doesn't get ruined, but in general it's a good idea to not introduce things into a story that won't be needed later on.

hairofadog 5y ago
I love the movie, and I agree with you. Big Trouble in Little China is an example where I think they did this intentionally and it worked; Kurt Russell’s character (arguably the main character) doesn’t actually do anything but witness the story, and everything would have turned out more or less the same if he hadn’t been there. In the case of Raiders, I don’t think it was intentional and it didn’t work (though like you say the rest of the movie was so strong and fun it doesn’t matter). I do love the warehouse scene at the end, however, and think about it all the time. Top. Men.
- Vaslo 5y ago
  I think the great Top Men comments is another excellent detail. When I was a kid I thought there might be some secret team that could work for the government and Indy would have to believe. But now that I’ve worked in research, it’s clear that whatever research field you work in, you absolutely know who the best is. We talked about the best Synthetic chemists all the time. It would be next to impossible for Indy to not know those big names (in the same “notorious” way he knew of Belloq) so it really adds more to the government BS.
- mjcohen 5y ago
  BTLC makes more sense if you consider Kurt Russell to be the sidekick.
- ASalazarMX 5y ago
  "Fast reflexes" wrapped up perfectly the movie, though. You see it at the start, you forget it because Burton is mostly useless, then bam, Chekhov's gun ending.