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For starters, the vaccines were anticipated to create herd immunity. The fact that we are debating about the conclusion of a study showing multiple vaccinated h

For starters, the vaccines were anticipated to create herd immunity. The fact that we are debating about the conclusion of a study showing multiple vaccinated healthcare workers infecting themselves shows we are pretty far away from what was anticipated or promoted in any shape or form. Multiple vaccinated people infected, 250x viral load! All vaccinated members sharing the same office were infected, 53 cases in a 900 employee hospital, luckily caught early. The "experts" say the you need to go back to social distancing, that's how good the vaccine is.

ithkuil 5y ago
Is working in a hospital, in tight, prolonged, everyday contact with sick covid patients to be considered a normal circumstance from which to draw any conclusion about the effectiveness of what has been promoted?
- incongruity 5y ago
  Considering many other workplaces are similarly space constrained, people often can be contagious before showing symptoms and the extreme transmissibility and pace of the delta variant? Yes, it may be a closer analog than you seem to think, imho.
  - ithkuil 5y ago
    I don't know. Intuitively a place designed to attract sick people must be qualitatively and quantitatively different. I mean, it's literally full of severe covid patients and your job is literally to care for them. I mean, I'm not an expert, but if if that's indeed similar to the average workplace environment then I need some extraordinary evidence, because this does seem to me as an extraordinary claim
- xunn0026 5y ago
  It's an infectious disease hospital. Since it's their job and I assume they don't have a breakout every other day for the other diseases, they may be capable of doing the job they did so far. Which is to say, it is quite extraordinary it happened in there and that it happened to fully vaccinated professionals. You average meat packing crew will be much less careful about things and have worse equipment and work conditions. Note there was a doctor 0! It's not like they all got it from patients they had there. All the people in his office, all vaccinated, got infected. Why do you assume they were behaving differently than you would behave in your IT job? If anything, they might have been more careful.

ithkuil 5y ago

Is working in a hospital, in tight, prolonged, everyday contact with sick covid patients to be considered a normal circumstance from which to draw any conclusion about the effectiveness of what has been promoted?

incongruity 5y ago
Considering many other workplaces are similarly space constrained, people often can be contagious before showing symptoms and the extreme transmissibility and pace of the delta variant? Yes, it may be a closer analog than you seem to think, imho.
- ithkuil 5y ago
  I don't know. Intuitively a place designed to attract sick people must be qualitatively and quantitatively different. I mean, it's literally full of severe covid patients and your job is literally to care for them. I mean, I'm not an expert, but if if that's indeed similar to the average workplace environment then I need some extraordinary evidence, because this does seem to me as an extraordinary claim
xunn0026 5y ago
It's an infectious disease hospital. Since it's their job and I assume they don't have a breakout every other day for the other diseases, they may be capable of doing the job they did so far. Which is to say, it is quite extraordinary it happened in there and that it happened to fully vaccinated professionals. You average meat packing crew will be much less careful about things and have worse equipment and work conditions. Note there was a doctor 0! It's not like they all got it from patients they had there. All the people in his office, all vaccinated, got infected. Why do you assume they were behaving differently than you would behave in your IT job? If anything, they might have been more careful.