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I want to believe that people are fundamentally good as well and there is definitely evidence that supports that. But this incident has left a bad taste in my

by physcab 15y ago

I want to believe that people are fundamentally good as well and there is definitely evidence that supports that. But this incident has left a bad taste in my mouth, and their response hasn't made me feel any better. It's not like Ebay where if you have a bad experience, your loss is stemmed to the material good you have given away. On AirBnb, the potential harm in the worst case for both a guest and a host are massive -- total material loss or even rape or death. I'm sure many people find value using their service, but after today, the risk is so clearly present that I don't think you can pay me to use it.

AndyJPartridge 15y ago
One faces the posibility of those horrible loses each day, but obviously you are increasing your risk with AirBnB. But a nutter having your key is just a minor detail if entry is desired; and with AirBnB at least you get a cash reward for your risk.
- go37pi 15y ago
  You're right about the financial expected value, but I think you might be disregarding the trust aspect of the transaction, which I think was why Airbnb was so successful. Buying into the brand reinforces a particularly optimistic world view that people who are likely to use Airbnb enjoy. Plus, when you are giving your key to another person, the risk is not just monetary, but the additional emotional risk of just being violated. I think it was very telling that EJ was particularly betrayed by the lies in the ongoing email updates and not just the monetary loss.
  - jamesteow 15y ago
    Exactly. People (including myself who used the service) felt that it was more legit than Craigslist when in fact, they have the same financial protection.
    - AndyJPartridge 15y ago
      With respect, your misconception on safety levels are not a fault of AirBnB. It's our trusting nature. I've read lots of the discussions about this today, and I think I'm the first to post this: http://www.airbnb.com/home/safety http://www.airbnb.com/home/safety It is no better or worse than Craigslist, as humans are involved. Some humans always screw things up for the rest of us.
- jbondeson 15y ago
  I know you were being glib here and not completely serious but I'm still going to respond to the general sentiment. Every day we do take risks by stepping out the front door, however the communities we belong to institute safeguards to help mitigate these numerous risks. We hire police officers, firemen, and construct hospitals. Living in these communities is not free, we pay taxes to support this. AirBnB is a virtual community that also collects taxes: 3% to be exact. However, they do nothing but mitigate the risks of funds transfer, and in other cases increase the risk by handcuffing attempts at vetting. So, yes, while I do face these horrible possibilities every day I know that the communities I belong to are attempting to minimize them -- can you honestly say that about AirBnB's community?
statictype 15y ago
It's not like Ebay where if you have a bad experience, your loss is stemmed to the material good you have given away If you're going to play the rape-or-death card, then why not also say that an EBay package you receive could contain a bomb or anthrax spores? Personally speaking, AirBnB always baffled me, even before this incident. I would never have given my home for others to use and would find it weird to use that of a strangers' when travelling, but that's just me. Other people clearly find value in it. I'm surprised that this incident would have left a bad taste in your mouth, in the same way that I'm surprised when people who store super-sensitive information in Dropbox find out that maybe its not a secure bank vault.
- physcab 15y ago
  True, but with Ebay, space separates me and the other party, so I still have (or feel like I have) some level of control. Could I still fall victim to random acts of hatred? Sure. Call it a bad taste or a pit in the stomach, but the incident only reinforced my worst fears about the service. It's something that will be difficult to forget.
- sliverstorm 15y ago
  an EBay package you receive could contain a bomb or anthrax spores? Or, perhaps, even a bobcat.

by physcab 15y ago

AndyJPartridge 15y ago

One faces the posibility of those horrible loses each day, but obviously you are increasing your risk with AirBnB. But a nutter having your key is just a minor detail if entry is desired; and with AirBnB at least you get a cash reward for your risk.

go37pi 15y ago
You're right about the financial expected value, but I think you might be disregarding the trust aspect of the transaction, which I think was why Airbnb was so successful. Buying into the brand reinforces a particularly optimistic world view that people who are likely to use Airbnb enjoy. Plus, when you are giving your key to another person, the risk is not just monetary, but the additional emotional risk of just being violated. I think it was very telling that EJ was particularly betrayed by the lies in the ongoing email updates and not just the monetary loss.
- jamesteow 15y ago
  Exactly. People (including myself who used the service) felt that it was more legit than Craigslist when in fact, they have the same financial protection.
  - AndyJPartridge 15y ago
    With respect, your misconception on safety levels are not a fault of AirBnB. It's our trusting nature. I've read lots of the discussions about this today, and I think I'm the first to post this: http://www.airbnb.com/home/safety http://www.airbnb.com/home/safety It is no better or worse than Craigslist, as humans are involved. Some humans always screw things up for the rest of us.
jbondeson 15y ago
I know you were being glib here and not completely serious but I'm still going to respond to the general sentiment. Every day we do take risks by stepping out the front door, however the communities we belong to institute safeguards to help mitigate these numerous risks. We hire police officers, firemen, and construct hospitals. Living in these communities is not free, we pay taxes to support this. AirBnB is a virtual community that also collects taxes: 3% to be exact. However, they do nothing but mitigate the risks of funds transfer, and in other cases increase the risk by handcuffing attempts at vetting. So, yes, while I do face these horrible possibilities every day I know that the communities I belong to are attempting to minimize them -- can you honestly say that about AirBnB's community?

statictype 15y ago

It's not like Ebay where if you have a bad experience, your loss is stemmed to the material good you have given away If you're going to play the rape-or-death card, then why not also say that an EBay package you receive could contain a bomb or anthrax spores? Personally speaking, AirBnB always baffled me, even before this incident. I would never have given my home for others to use and would find it weird to use that of a strangers' when travelling, but that's just me. Other people clearly find value in it. I'm surprised that this incident would have left a bad taste in your mouth, in the same way that I'm surprised when people who store super-sensitive information in Dropbox find out that maybe its not a secure bank vault.

physcab 15y ago
True, but with Ebay, space separates me and the other party, so I still have (or feel like I have) some level of control. Could I still fall victim to random acts of hatred? Sure. Call it a bad taste or a pit in the stomach, but the incident only reinforced my worst fears about the service. It's something that will be difficult to forget.
sliverstorm 15y ago
an EBay package you receive could contain a bomb or anthrax spores? Or, perhaps, even a bobcat.