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Right. Should there be a reasonable method to prove citizenship to vote? You literally have to prove it for an innumerable amount of 'things' in life.

belltaco 5y ago
People are so privileged that they don't understand that a lot of people don't do those innumerable things because they're underprivileged and poor.
germinalphrase 5y ago
Who cares who you are. I care that you’ve only voted once. Dipping your finger in ink solves that and prevents any gamesmanship around “qualifying ID”.
- gruez 5y ago
  >Who cares who you are. I care that you’ve only voted once You don't care that non-citizens can vote?
  - belltaco 5y ago
    The same illegal immigrants that don't report getting raped because of being afraid of the cops and getting deported are going to risk felony voting to change one vote? BS.
  - barbecue_sauce 5y ago
    Do non-citizens even want to vote? How do they even register to vote?
    - gruez 5y ago
      >Do non-citizens even want to vote Is there something about holding a green card for 5 years that makes you suddenly start to engage in politics? >How do they even register to vote? Presumably they take someone else's identity.
    - rascul 5y ago
      In my state, you go to the circuit clerk, fill out a paper with your name and address, then receive your card in the mail. The receiving the card in the mail is the verification. No ID was necessary for me to register or vote. Seems like this could be gamed fairly easily.
  - XorNot 5y ago
    How do non-citizens vote? Have you ever voted in your life? Because it sounds like you haven't. You know, when you go to the polling station and identify yourself on the electoral roll, they check off your name, and you get given exactly 1 ballot to cast? What would you do if you turned up, your name was already checked off, but you hadn't voted? What do you think happens then?
    - gruez 5y ago
      >What would you do if you turned up, your name was already checked off, but you hadn't voted? What do you think happens then? Seems like an entirely plausible attack. Why don't you tell me what happens then?
  - germinalphrase 5y ago
    When I vote they ask for my name and address. I tell them, they cross it off the list, and I go vote. Add in an ink pot, and I am fully satisfied.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  I think this is the exact opposite point to make for these believers above. BUT I think it's a worthy policy debate. I could see myself being in favor of allowing long term residents the vote given how impossible it is to get citizenship (or hell even permanent status). maybe then the point should be fixing our immigration system and naturalizing the huge backlog we have. as is, millions are already being taxed but not represented and they are subject to the laws they don't get a voice in crafting.
  - germinalphrase 5y ago
    While it’s an interesting conversation, it’s not my argument. My point is that merely asking for some verification of residency (name, address) plus a verification that you have not yet voted (dip your finger in the ink pot) reduces a lot of attacks on our election integrity (including voter suppression and disenfranchisement). I am also in favor of holding all elections on weekend and making them federal holidays. My general gut instinct on this stuff is that we could have simple, safe elections, but we would need to be patient in receiving results, commit to competitive redistricting, and reduce political party influence over the details as they will always attempt to game them towards their preferred status quo.
    - dillondoyle 5y ago
      We do already verify residency (voter registration) and check you haven't voted twice. There are usually a few double voting cases. I think I remember a case of TX going after maybe i remember a young college student hard. it was on Vice News but I can't find it.
      - germinalphrase 5y ago
        They verify the person with that name/address hasn’t voted twice, the ink assures the person standing in front of them hasn’t voted twice. Is it necessary? Probably not, but it would be an extra layer of security (and reinforce public trust in the process).
dillondoyle 5y ago
There already is. It's called voter registration. And some states make it pretty damn hard even for us <sarcasm>true blue blooded 'mericans</sarcasm>.

belltaco 5y ago

People are so privileged that they don't understand that a lot of people don't do those innumerable things because they're underprivileged and poor.

germinalphrase 5y ago

Who cares who you are. I care that you’ve only voted once. Dipping your finger in ink solves that and prevents any gamesmanship around “qualifying ID”.

gruez 5y ago
>Who cares who you are. I care that you’ve only voted once You don't care that non-citizens can vote?
- belltaco 5y ago
  The same illegal immigrants that don't report getting raped because of being afraid of the cops and getting deported are going to risk felony voting to change one vote? BS.
- barbecue_sauce 5y ago
  Do non-citizens even want to vote? How do they even register to vote?
  - gruez 5y ago
    >Do non-citizens even want to vote Is there something about holding a green card for 5 years that makes you suddenly start to engage in politics? >How do they even register to vote? Presumably they take someone else's identity.
  - rascul 5y ago
    In my state, you go to the circuit clerk, fill out a paper with your name and address, then receive your card in the mail. The receiving the card in the mail is the verification. No ID was necessary for me to register or vote. Seems like this could be gamed fairly easily.
- XorNot 5y ago
  How do non-citizens vote? Have you ever voted in your life? Because it sounds like you haven't. You know, when you go to the polling station and identify yourself on the electoral roll, they check off your name, and you get given exactly 1 ballot to cast? What would you do if you turned up, your name was already checked off, but you hadn't voted? What do you think happens then?
  - gruez 5y ago
    >What would you do if you turned up, your name was already checked off, but you hadn't voted? What do you think happens then? Seems like an entirely plausible attack. Why don't you tell me what happens then?
- germinalphrase 5y ago
  When I vote they ask for my name and address. I tell them, they cross it off the list, and I go vote. Add in an ink pot, and I am fully satisfied.
dillondoyle 5y ago
I think this is the exact opposite point to make for these believers above. BUT I think it's a worthy policy debate. I could see myself being in favor of allowing long term residents the vote given how impossible it is to get citizenship (or hell even permanent status). maybe then the point should be fixing our immigration system and naturalizing the huge backlog we have. as is, millions are already being taxed but not represented and they are subject to the laws they don't get a voice in crafting.
- germinalphrase 5y ago
  While it’s an interesting conversation, it’s not my argument. My point is that merely asking for some verification of residency (name, address) plus a verification that you have not yet voted (dip your finger in the ink pot) reduces a lot of attacks on our election integrity (including voter suppression and disenfranchisement). I am also in favor of holding all elections on weekend and making them federal holidays. My general gut instinct on this stuff is that we could have simple, safe elections, but we would need to be patient in receiving results, commit to competitive redistricting, and reduce political party influence over the details as they will always attempt to game them towards their preferred status quo.
  - dillondoyle 5y ago
    We do already verify residency (voter registration) and check you haven't voted twice. There are usually a few double voting cases. I think I remember a case of TX going after maybe i remember a young college student hard. it was on Vice News but I can't find it.
    - germinalphrase 5y ago
      They verify the person with that name/address hasn’t voted twice, the ink assures the person standing in front of them hasn’t voted twice. Is it necessary? Probably not, but it would be an extra layer of security (and reinforce public trust in the process).

dillondoyle 5y ago

There already is. It's called voter registration. And some states make it pretty damn hard even for us <sarcasm>true blue blooded 'mericans</sarcasm>.