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I am curious how this will work long term, as we are nowhere near controlling COVID on a global scale and even well resourced countries in the West or very disc

I am curious how this will work long term, as we are nowhere near controlling COVID on a global scale and even well resourced countries in the West or very disciplined/authoritarian countries are struggling.

rogerkirkness 5y ago
I feel like this is clearly not going to work without basically 14 day latency to all in and out travel which seems... impossible to sustain.
- retrac 5y ago
  If any society is in a position to afford that policy, it is New Zealand. Remote island, wealthy so they can afford some hit to their economy (even with how important tourism and exports are there). The public seems to have no desire to go through COVID-19, so the political will may be there.
  - unearth3d 5y ago
    Exports proceeding more or less normal (as long as receiving end not in covid chaos). Tourism is probably ended, maybe role for long term travellers as walkers, cyclists spend the most money
  - dzhiurgis 5y ago
    Something like 90% of tourism here is by locals. Net new dollars are good, but not super important. That said it's pretty annoying not being able to leave or get your family for support. Then there's thousands of people stuck with their work visas, basically enslaved to their current employers with no shine of light of getting residency completed. Let's not even begin discussing property market...
  - nsonha 5y ago
    How do you know so much about NZ? I'm sure all of kiwis are cheering this because everyone is so wealthy and does not at all have their livelihood affected.
- phyzome 5y ago
  I've been imagining a world where a whole bunch of countries actually do this. What does it really change? Mostly less tourism, I think. That would hit certain tourism-dependent countries pretty hard. On the other hand there'd probably be a lot less air travel, which is good. But think about how many people are able to work remotely now. What if the quarantine hotel had great internet access, so you spent your quarantine period working remotely, then went off and did tourist things and had your vacation proper? I think the trickiest part would be how to handle all the people who do the people- and stuff-moving -- the airplane and ship crews, specifically.
yann2 5y ago
There is a long list of diseases that have been bought under control in the west. Take a look at the Global Sustainable Development Goals for 2030. Most of the health goals related to diseases are not diseases you see in the west. But the numbers outstrip covid.
- ipspam 5y ago
  Brought under control is NOT Covid Zero

rogerkirkness 5y ago

I feel like this is clearly not going to work without basically 14 day latency to all in and out travel which seems... impossible to sustain.

retrac 5y ago
If any society is in a position to afford that policy, it is New Zealand. Remote island, wealthy so they can afford some hit to their economy (even with how important tourism and exports are there). The public seems to have no desire to go through COVID-19, so the political will may be there.
- unearth3d 5y ago
  Exports proceeding more or less normal (as long as receiving end not in covid chaos). Tourism is probably ended, maybe role for long term travellers as walkers, cyclists spend the most money
- dzhiurgis 5y ago
  Something like 90% of tourism here is by locals. Net new dollars are good, but not super important. That said it's pretty annoying not being able to leave or get your family for support. Then there's thousands of people stuck with their work visas, basically enslaved to their current employers with no shine of light of getting residency completed. Let's not even begin discussing property market...
- nsonha 5y ago
  How do you know so much about NZ? I'm sure all of kiwis are cheering this because everyone is so wealthy and does not at all have their livelihood affected.
phyzome 5y ago
I've been imagining a world where a whole bunch of countries actually do this. What does it really change? Mostly less tourism, I think. That would hit certain tourism-dependent countries pretty hard. On the other hand there'd probably be a lot less air travel, which is good. But think about how many people are able to work remotely now. What if the quarantine hotel had great internet access, so you spent your quarantine period working remotely, then went off and did tourist things and had your vacation proper? I think the trickiest part would be how to handle all the people who do the people- and stuff-moving -- the airplane and ship crews, specifically.

yann2 5y ago

There is a long list of diseases that have been bought under control in the west. Take a look at the Global Sustainable Development Goals for 2030. Most of the health goals related to diseases are not diseases you see in the west. But the numbers outstrip covid.

ipspam 5y ago
Brought under control is NOT Covid Zero