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I don't mind that personally. They can default to their own stores and advertise them, as long as I can sideload anything I want. On Android I do use sideloadi

I don't mind that personally. They can default to their own stores and advertise them, as long as I can sideload anything I want. On Android I do use sideloading for niche applications and for FOSS applications available outside the Play Store (F-Droid). If iOS allowed the same ability to sideload that Android does, that would be a huge step forward for "power"users, irrespective of whether the majority of the population stays with the Apple default.

noobermin 5y ago
Right, it would have a huge impact on iOS devices and for their users.
arrosenberg 5y ago
It should really work the same way you select a default browser during setup. Even if you can sideload a different option, setting a default to their own property is a classic example of bundling, which is an anticompetitive act.
btown 5y ago
For what it's worth, https://altstore.io/ https://altstore.io/ is a relatively-new sideloading system that "just works" for iOS without jailbreaks - you can download .ipa packages however you want, and as long as you're on the same WiFi as a computer running the server, it will re-sign them with a personal key every 7 days. Outside of emulators, though, there's just not much of an ecosystem of high-quality apps for iOS that aren't built to be Apple-approved. But hey - you can bring back Flappy Bird!
- runawaybottle 5y ago
  I’m not sure who lobbied for this legislation, but I have a gut feeling a company like Facebook is behind some of the money. What a Trojan horse, a government legislated third party Facebook App Store on your IPhone/Android that incentivizes developers to build apps that plug into the FB ecosystem. Lower percentage cut taken by Facebook, with the ultimate caveat - no privacy, all your user data is ours, oh and ads, lots of them. Cheers. Shit, FB didn’t even have to develop their own phone. What a win.
  - drenvuk 5y ago
    At this point the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let's see if whoever is doing the arm twisting can force Apple onto a path where they don't get to do every single little thing that they want.
    - nemothekid 5y ago
      That's interesting because I have the opposite view - I prefer Apple maintains control so that Facebook doesn't get to do every single thing they want. Facebook is strictly worse and I bemoan a future where FB is given even more data to sell on hundreds of millions of Americans.
      - tremon 5y ago
        How about (gasp) the government maintains control so that non-democratic bodies don't get to do every single thing they want?
        baridbelmedar 5y ago
        What government are you referring to? I suspect that not all countries (even western) would love the idea that the US government had that type of control ;)
        Valkhyr 5y ago
        How about designing devices and services such that they are open and cross-compatible and the user is ultimately in control?
- pzo 5y ago
  Last time I checked you also had install some their plugin for mail.app that is setup with Apple ID account - that was deal breaker for me.
- Valkhyr 5y ago
  Yeah, I had heard of that. Personally, I don't really like the idea of depending on re-signing every 7 days to prevent apps from breaking. In practice it would be fine nearly 100% of the time, it's just not something I like from a point of view of principles. It feels like an immense contortion to make just to install a binary on a device I own :-(

noobermin 5y ago

Right, it would have a huge impact on iOS devices and for their users.

arrosenberg 5y ago

It should really work the same way you select a default browser during setup. Even if you can sideload a different option, setting a default to their own property is a classic example of bundling, which is an anticompetitive act.

btown 5y ago

For what it's worth, https://altstore.io/ https://altstore.io/ is a relatively-new sideloading system that "just works" for iOS without jailbreaks - you can download .ipa packages however you want, and as long as you're on the same WiFi as a computer running the server, it will re-sign them with a personal key every 7 days. Outside of emulators, though, there's just not much of an ecosystem of high-quality apps for iOS that aren't built to be Apple-approved. But hey - you can bring back Flappy Bird!

runawaybottle 5y ago
I’m not sure who lobbied for this legislation, but I have a gut feeling a company like Facebook is behind some of the money. What a Trojan horse, a government legislated third party Facebook App Store on your IPhone/Android that incentivizes developers to build apps that plug into the FB ecosystem. Lower percentage cut taken by Facebook, with the ultimate caveat - no privacy, all your user data is ours, oh and ads, lots of them. Cheers. Shit, FB didn’t even have to develop their own phone. What a win.
- drenvuk 5y ago
  At this point the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let's see if whoever is doing the arm twisting can force Apple onto a path where they don't get to do every single little thing that they want.
  - nemothekid 5y ago
    That's interesting because I have the opposite view - I prefer Apple maintains control so that Facebook doesn't get to do every single thing they want. Facebook is strictly worse and I bemoan a future where FB is given even more data to sell on hundreds of millions of Americans.
    - tremon 5y ago
      How about (gasp) the government maintains control so that non-democratic bodies don't get to do every single thing they want?
      - baridbelmedar 5y ago
        What government are you referring to? I suspect that not all countries (even western) would love the idea that the US government had that type of control ;)
      - Valkhyr 5y ago
        How about designing devices and services such that they are open and cross-compatible and the user is ultimately in control?
pzo 5y ago
Last time I checked you also had install some their plugin for mail.app that is setup with Apple ID account - that was deal breaker for me.
Valkhyr 5y ago
Yeah, I had heard of that. Personally, I don't really like the idea of depending on re-signing every 7 days to prevent apps from breaking. In practice it would be fine nearly 100% of the time, it's just not something I like from a point of view of principles. It feels like an immense contortion to make just to install a binary on a device I own :-(