> Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure If you needed dedicated people so dev teams can just throw it over

> Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure If you needed dedicated people so dev teams can just throw it over the fence to them that already existed and was just called sysadmins/ops. No need to invent a new term for that. More like some companies didn’t get the memo that devops != sysadmin, not even a title at all. > There is no serious tier. Well who’s in a bubble really?