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> You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. Sigh. THIS seems to be a deliberate misreading too. Stopping the pandemic

> You are actively spreading disinformation. SARS-2 ("covid") will never be extinct. Sigh. THIS seems to be a deliberate misreading too. Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. And cloth masks are a vitally important tool in making that happen. Claiming otherwise by arguing against a strawman is... yeah, disinformation. OH MY GOD. After a year and a half, why won't you people just wear your masks?! Why!?

nickthemagicman 5y ago
Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? Would you go into surgery with a physician who wears the same mask on a daily basis?
- newacct583 5y ago
  > Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? More so than not wearing a mask at all, yes. Are you arguing for more effective mask distribution and more stringent mask enforcement? I think I'd agree that is warranted at the moment. But you're not, you're just whatabouting.
  - nickthemagicman 5y ago
    Would love a citation for that. Texas lifted all restrictions including masks and has lower infection rates per capita than most places with mask mandates and Covid restrictions. So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation.
    - newacct583 5y ago
      > Would love a citation for that. Are you living in a cave? How can you not have seen all this. UCSF has this amazing review, and it's right at the top of the google results page: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-abou... You are claiming not to have seen this not because you have looked for this evidence and failed to find it, but because you have been CONVINCED BY YOUR MEDIA that this evidence doesn't exist. You also cite lies. Texas is one of the worst areas in the country for both total infection count and current infection rate: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&highlight=Texas&show=us-states&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#states-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states... > So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation. Ditto.
      - nickthemagicman 5y ago
        You use opinion pieces for 'science'? The modern day Covid Evangelist... views opinion pieces and the media as science.... Also...it's an opinion piece from....a university....in San Francisco...the two most notoriously political places in the entire universe and you're saying I'm convinced by MY MEDIA. Despite that terrible citation....even the opinion piece you linked says there are 'compelling strands of evidence'. NOT CONCLUSIVE. > You also cite lies. Whatever off the wall data set you posted seems to disagree with Statistica which puts TX in the bottom half of states for population adjusted rate of new Coronavirus cases. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Here's a publication stating that Mask usage INCREASED chances of infection thats NOT AN OPINION PIECE FROM UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Here's a collection of studies showing the ineffectiveness of face masks. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ You're clearly radicalized, anti-science, and pro-fascist from your media/peer group and you would support supression of discussion, demonizing dissent, and controlling of the narrative through force. You would destroy Democracy to be right. It's sad.
        newacct583 5y ago
        > Also...it's an opinion piece from....a university....in San Francisco...the two most notoriously political places in the entire universe and you're saying I'm convinced by MY MEDIA. It's... a medical school. An elite one, no less, doing public outreach. Effectively that link is a review paper written for non-experts, it's certainly not "opinion journalism". I mean, it links to studies throughout the piece. It absolutely represents (and I don't understand why you think this is controversial) virtually uniformly held scientific consensus on this topic. I mean, I don't know what to say. If you don't trust doctors about medical issues, preferring to read pieces from (literal) Swiss conspiracy theory sites and citing isolated single Vietnamese studies, then I guess I can't help you. But yes: SWPRS and sites like that are LYING TO YOU. Very effectively, since now you trust them more than you do one of the best med schools in the country.
__blockcipher__ 5y ago
> Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. That's why I pointed out that eradication is not feasible. I am well aware of the whole mitigation vs containment vs eradication distinction, and I maintain, personally, that focused protection is and was always the correct strategy to follow.
- newacct583 5y ago
  > I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. No, you're not. Go read the comment again.
  - __blockcipher__ 5y ago
    > Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct. Again, they literally said eradication (extinction) was possible. I said it wasn’t. I didn’t misread at all.

nickthemagicman 5y ago

Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? Would you go into surgery with a physician who wears the same mask on a daily basis?

newacct583 5y ago
> Do you think wearing the same mask every single day and being able to take it off when the waiter brings the breadsticks is an effective mask policy? More so than not wearing a mask at all, yes. Are you arguing for more effective mask distribution and more stringent mask enforcement? I think I'd agree that is warranted at the moment. But you're not, you're just whatabouting.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Would love a citation for that. Texas lifted all restrictions including masks and has lower infection rates per capita than most places with mask mandates and Covid restrictions. So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation.
  - newacct583 5y ago
    > Would love a citation for that. Are you living in a cave? How can you not have seen all this. UCSF has this amazing review, and it's right at the top of the google results page: https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-about-masks-heres-science-behind-how-face-masks-prevent https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2020/06/417906/still-confused-abou... You are claiming not to have seen this not because you have looked for this evidence and failed to find it, but because you have been CONVINCED BY YOUR MEDIA that this evidence doesn't exist. You also cite lies. Texas is one of the worst areas in the country for both total infection count and current infection rate: https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&highlight=Texas&show=us-states&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#states-normalized https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states... > So the statement you make with arrogance may actually be wrong misinformation. Ditto.
    - nickthemagicman 5y ago
      You use opinion pieces for 'science'? The modern day Covid Evangelist... views opinion pieces and the media as science.... Also...it's an opinion piece from....a university....in San Francisco...the two most notoriously political places in the entire universe and you're saying I'm convinced by MY MEDIA. Despite that terrible citation....even the opinion piece you linked says there are 'compelling strands of evidence'. NOT CONCLUSIVE. > You also cite lies. Whatever off the wall data set you posted seems to disagree with Statistica which puts TX in the bottom half of states for population adjusted rate of new Coronavirus cases. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covid19-cases-rate-us-americans-by-state/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109004/coronavirus-covi... Here's a publication stating that Mask usage INCREASED chances of infection thats NOT AN OPINION PIECE FROM UNIVERSITY OF SAN FRANCISCO. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/5/4/e006577 Here's a collection of studies showing the ineffectiveness of face masks. https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ https://swprs.org/face-masks-evidence/ You're clearly radicalized, anti-science, and pro-fascist from your media/peer group and you would support supression of discussion, demonizing dissent, and controlling of the narrative through force. You would destroy Democracy to be right. It's sad.
      - newacct583 5y ago
        > Also...it's an opinion piece from....a university....in San Francisco...the two most notoriously political places in the entire universe and you're saying I'm convinced by MY MEDIA. It's... a medical school. An elite one, no less, doing public outreach. Effectively that link is a review paper written for non-experts, it's certainly not "opinion journalism". I mean, it links to studies throughout the piece. It absolutely represents (and I don't understand why you think this is controversial) virtually uniformly held scientific consensus on this topic. I mean, I don't know what to say. If you don't trust doctors about medical issues, preferring to read pieces from (literal) Swiss conspiracy theory sites and citing isolated single Vietnamese studies, then I guess I can't help you. But yes: SWPRS and sites like that are LYING TO YOU. Very effectively, since now you trust them more than you do one of the best med schools in the country.

__blockcipher__ 5y ago

> Stopping the pandemic doesn't require eradicating the disease. Malaria remains endemic and largely unvaccinated, but controlled. I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. That's why I pointed out that eradication is not feasible. I am well aware of the whole mitigation vs containment vs eradication distinction, and I maintain, personally, that focused protection is and was always the correct strategy to follow.

newacct583 5y ago
> I'm literally responding to a comment from somebody who is advocating for eradication. No, you're not. Go read the comment again.
- __blockcipher__ 5y ago
  > Rand Paul needs to have a permanent muzzle installed until covid is extinct. Again, they literally said eradication (extinction) was possible. I said it wasn’t. I didn’t misread at all.