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> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for eq

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

antiframe 5y ago
A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. It is the family plan that costs $4.99, and Bitwarden's family plan is not $0. It also assumes you don't want the features in the paid version of Bitwarden, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 1Password doesn't offer a free reduced-feature version, true.
  - antiframe 5y ago
    That's fair. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. 1Password is not free for anyone.
Spivak 5y ago
The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden
- movedx 5y ago
  Simply not the same thing at all.
  - Spivak 5y ago
    Why not? I had this setup for years before switching to bitwarden_rs. You have apps on every device to access your password database and do autofill. I stored everything in KeePass, recovery keys, TOTP seeds, sensitive documents and notes. I get the password sharing thing for families but for a single user they have the same featureset. The only thing missing is browser access but even though I now have browser access to Bitwarden I think I’ve used it like twice. I think I used Keyweb maybe once.
    - movedx 5y ago
      It's not the same thing because the whole argument being made is in the context of 1Password and its target audience: normal users. That's your mum and dad and other very likely non-techie people. Your choice of solution isn't the same thing.
      - deleted 5y ago
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KronisLV 5y ago
KeePass ( https://keepass.info/ https://keepass.info/ ) with something like Nextcloud ( https://nextcloud.com/ https://nextcloud.com/ ) or any other solution for syncing password databases across devices. Let's Encrypt SSL/TLS certificates are free, as is Apache/Nginx/Caddy to reverse proxy Nextcloud or any other solution (if a web based interface is needed). You might also need something like ngrok ( https://ngrok.com/ https://ngrok.com/ ) for publically accessing the instance if you're behind NAT and are hosting it on a homelab, or alternatively just put it on one of the VPSes that you're using, if you have any. Personally i'm using a similar setup (a WireGuard VPN tunnel or two in there as well) on my pre-existing VPSes, so the effective costs are 0$ for me. And the file based approach is actually superior to any (possibly) dubious browser plugins in my eyes.
- xanaxagoras 5y ago
  Recently set up something similar. DNS entry that resolves to a local ip, swag + letsencrypt reverse proxying to Nextcloud, all setup as containers and accessible anywhere over WireGuard. I'm pretty happy with it.
  - KronisLV 5y ago
    Here's a link to swag, if anyone hasn't heard of it before: https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag It does seem like an interesting and useful project, though there are also other more popular alternatives like Caddy: https://caddyserver.com/ https://caddyserver.com/ (even though their V2 not being backwards compatible was a tad annoying) Oh, and some people also have pretty good luck with software like Traefik: https://traefik.io/traefik/ https://traefik.io/traefik/ Apart from that, just wanted to say that WireGuard is absolutely lovely! Pretty simple to set up, works well and uses way less resources than something like OpenVPN.
    - xanaxagoras 5y ago
      WireGuard has already spoiled me, every time I have to fire up my job's bloatware VPN client I get a little bummed out now.
ekianjo 5y ago
Keepass is zero.
- movedx 5y ago
  And has zero native syncing functionality being presented by 1Password across every platform on the planet.
  - sleepybrett 5y ago
    psst, for many of us 1password of old not having any native syncing functionality WAS A FEATURE.
    - movedx 5y ago
      But for 1Password "us" was the general population, not highly skilled computer engineers. We're not the primary target audience for 1Password, we just happen to fit under the umbrella anyway.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - ekianjo 5y ago
    i use syncthing to take care of the replication. no issue.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
Syncthing+keepass/x/c, or pass+git if you're more techy

antiframe 5y ago

A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.

rootusrootus 5y ago
That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. It is the family plan that costs $4.99, and Bitwarden's family plan is not $0. It also assumes you don't want the features in the paid version of Bitwarden, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 1Password doesn't offer a free reduced-feature version, true.
- antiframe 5y ago
  That's fair. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. 1Password is not free for anyone.

Spivak 5y ago

The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden

movedx 5y ago
Simply not the same thing at all.
- Spivak 5y ago
  Why not? I had this setup for years before switching to bitwarden_rs. You have apps on every device to access your password database and do autofill. I stored everything in KeePass, recovery keys, TOTP seeds, sensitive documents and notes. I get the password sharing thing for families but for a single user they have the same featureset. The only thing missing is browser access but even though I now have browser access to Bitwarden I think I’ve used it like twice. I think I used Keyweb maybe once.
  - movedx 5y ago
    It's not the same thing because the whole argument being made is in the context of 1Password and its target audience: normal users. That's your mum and dad and other very likely non-techie people. Your choice of solution isn't the same thing.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]

KronisLV 5y ago

KeePass ( https://keepass.info/ https://keepass.info/ ) with something like Nextcloud ( https://nextcloud.com/ https://nextcloud.com/ ) or any other solution for syncing password databases across devices. Let's Encrypt SSL/TLS certificates are free, as is Apache/Nginx/Caddy to reverse proxy Nextcloud or any other solution (if a web based interface is needed). You might also need something like ngrok ( https://ngrok.com/ https://ngrok.com/ ) for publically accessing the instance if you're behind NAT and are hosting it on a homelab, or alternatively just put it on one of the VPSes that you're using, if you have any. Personally i'm using a similar setup (a WireGuard VPN tunnel or two in there as well) on my pre-existing VPSes, so the effective costs are 0$ for me. And the file based approach is actually superior to any (possibly) dubious browser plugins in my eyes.

xanaxagoras 5y ago
Recently set up something similar. DNS entry that resolves to a local ip, swag + letsencrypt reverse proxying to Nextcloud, all setup as containers and accessible anywhere over WireGuard. I'm pretty happy with it.
- KronisLV 5y ago
  Here's a link to swag, if anyone hasn't heard of it before: https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag https://github.com/linuxserver/docker-swag It does seem like an interesting and useful project, though there are also other more popular alternatives like Caddy: https://caddyserver.com/ https://caddyserver.com/ (even though their V2 not being backwards compatible was a tad annoying) Oh, and some people also have pretty good luck with software like Traefik: https://traefik.io/traefik/ https://traefik.io/traefik/ Apart from that, just wanted to say that WireGuard is absolutely lovely! Pretty simple to set up, works well and uses way less resources than something like OpenVPN.
  - xanaxagoras 5y ago
    WireGuard has already spoiled me, every time I have to fire up my job's bloatware VPN client I get a little bummed out now.

ekianjo 5y ago

Keepass is zero.

movedx 5y ago
And has zero native syncing functionality being presented by 1Password across every platform on the planet.
- sleepybrett 5y ago
  psst, for many of us 1password of old not having any native syncing functionality WAS A FEATURE.
  - movedx 5y ago
    But for 1Password "us" was the general population, not highly skilled computer engineers. We're not the primary target audience for 1Password, we just happen to fit under the umbrella anyway.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- ekianjo 5y ago
  i use syncthing to take care of the replication. no issue.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

Syncthing+keepass/x/c, or pass+git if you're more techy