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The point is to be aware that it is happening. Are you suggesting just letting Senators amplify the message that Hillary Clinton drinks baby blood and is a demo

The point is to be aware that it is happening. Are you suggesting just letting Senators amplify the message that Hillary Clinton drinks baby blood and is a demon, and 20% of the population believes it? When do you step in and say, "Ok dipshits, stop making shit up to scare the rubes"? Or are you OK with just streams of shit clogging the channels, like Bannon suggested? EDIT: At some point we need some kind of factual moderation. We can't have the US turn into 4chan, it needs a DanG to stay like HN. I don't buy all your slippery slope paranoia, right now the US is turning into a shit-show because half the country is running around saying "well nothing is really true borkborkbork" and electing autocratic criminals. Fuck. That.

imwillofficial 5y ago
Who are you to decide what people believe? There are far more important topics than HRCs purported baby-blood diet.
- SavantIdiot 5y ago
  Simple: I'm not the one lying for profit and power. That's why I'm who should decide.
  - imwillofficial 5y ago
    Touché
    - SavantIdiot 5y ago
      Honestly, I'm frustrated as hell that known bullshit is taken as truth (flat earth? come on!) and I agree with other responses (including yours) that picking one person or group to be "the authority" clearly is a target for manipulation. But when is enough, enough? There was a time when academics were the source of truth, and yes, sometimes they bone it, but they at least try to correct it. I dunno, I'm ready to go back to that, because this free-for-all of "alternative facts" can't be a good thing, can it?
      - imwillofficial 5y ago
        All it takes is one look at the reproducibility crisis to know that “academics” are just as corrupt, greedy, and politics driven as any politician. Thing is, flat earth is easy to point at and yell “lies!” How about the Trump/Russia collusion? Pushed by powerful interests with an axe to grind, and in the end debunked. But there are many who believe there is more there than meets the eye. Perhaps they are right. Frankly, “disinformation” labels, given by any authority, can and will be manipulated. People calling for that are idiots who can’t understand second order effects of their choices. You act like there is one objective reality, and you know it and others don’t. This is false. “Alternative facts” are differences of opinion on things that 99% of people have no personal knowledge of. Does Hilary Clinton eat babies? Hell, I don’t know. I’d say probably not. But one of her top donors, Ed Buck, did just get charged with tying up homeless black men and injecting them with meth to OD them while He got off. Who knows? Not you, not me. TLDR: None of us have the proper insight to truly discern “misinformation” despite what we think. I may get downvoted to hell, but this is the truth. Our world is shaped by narratives outside of our control.
        SavantIdiot 5y ago
        > Thing is, flat earth is easy to point at and yell “lies!” > You act like there is one objective reality, ... This is false. They got you. Because you just contradicted yourself. Why did you do that? On top of it, you are reciting a certain political party's claims. That's a dead giveaway. WE could start simple. 1. The earth is not flat But you already believe this not to be true, or you do, I can't tell because you're reply is mishmash Bannon-esque nonsense.
        imwillofficial 5y ago
        I don’t know what “Brannon-esque” means. I feel like you’re butt hurt that I used more right wing examples. Let me shift. “I don’t know if Trump made up the Obama birth certificate scandal for publicity. But Trump has bent the truth like an Olympic gymnast in the past, so maybe.” My point about the flat earth comment, is there are low hanging fruit of obvious lies that are used to push for labels of misinformation on non-objective opinions. I know, for a fact, the earth is not flat. As a submarine radioman, I relied on this fact for everything from navigation to satcomms. I do not know HRC or Trump personally, so I only have my views that were fed to me through the distorted lens of the media, my own experiences, and personal biases. Try reading again for comprehension, and not deceptively editing my quotes next time.
listless 5y ago
Do you really want the government deciding what disinformation is and having the authority to silence it? Remember, Trump was president less than a year ago.
adamrezich 5y ago
a full decade ago, this image macro was made https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/just-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/just-go-on-the-internet-and-t... with the point being that it's ridiculous to assume that everything you read on the Web is truthful. this was understood by everyone who had used the Internet for more than a week. what happened to get us to the point where people like yourself expect, nay demand that the Web contains only truth? how is this mythical Truth supposed to be determined?

imwillofficial 5y ago

Who are you to decide what people believe? There are far more important topics than HRCs purported baby-blood diet.

SavantIdiot 5y ago
Simple: I'm not the one lying for profit and power. That's why I'm who should decide.
- imwillofficial 5y ago
  Touché
  - SavantIdiot 5y ago
    Honestly, I'm frustrated as hell that known bullshit is taken as truth (flat earth? come on!) and I agree with other responses (including yours) that picking one person or group to be "the authority" clearly is a target for manipulation. But when is enough, enough? There was a time when academics were the source of truth, and yes, sometimes they bone it, but they at least try to correct it. I dunno, I'm ready to go back to that, because this free-for-all of "alternative facts" can't be a good thing, can it?
    - imwillofficial 5y ago
      All it takes is one look at the reproducibility crisis to know that “academics” are just as corrupt, greedy, and politics driven as any politician. Thing is, flat earth is easy to point at and yell “lies!” How about the Trump/Russia collusion? Pushed by powerful interests with an axe to grind, and in the end debunked. But there are many who believe there is more there than meets the eye. Perhaps they are right. Frankly, “disinformation” labels, given by any authority, can and will be manipulated. People calling for that are idiots who can’t understand second order effects of their choices. You act like there is one objective reality, and you know it and others don’t. This is false. “Alternative facts” are differences of opinion on things that 99% of people have no personal knowledge of. Does Hilary Clinton eat babies? Hell, I don’t know. I’d say probably not. But one of her top donors, Ed Buck, did just get charged with tying up homeless black men and injecting them with meth to OD them while He got off. Who knows? Not you, not me. TLDR: None of us have the proper insight to truly discern “misinformation” despite what we think. I may get downvoted to hell, but this is the truth. Our world is shaped by narratives outside of our control.
      - SavantIdiot 5y ago
        > Thing is, flat earth is easy to point at and yell “lies!” > You act like there is one objective reality, ... This is false. They got you. Because you just contradicted yourself. Why did you do that? On top of it, you are reciting a certain political party's claims. That's a dead giveaway. WE could start simple. 1. The earth is not flat But you already believe this not to be true, or you do, I can't tell because you're reply is mishmash Bannon-esque nonsense.
        imwillofficial 5y ago
        I don’t know what “Brannon-esque” means. I feel like you’re butt hurt that I used more right wing examples. Let me shift. “I don’t know if Trump made up the Obama birth certificate scandal for publicity. But Trump has bent the truth like an Olympic gymnast in the past, so maybe.” My point about the flat earth comment, is there are low hanging fruit of obvious lies that are used to push for labels of misinformation on non-objective opinions. I know, for a fact, the earth is not flat. As a submarine radioman, I relied on this fact for everything from navigation to satcomms. I do not know HRC or Trump personally, so I only have my views that were fed to me through the distorted lens of the media, my own experiences, and personal biases. Try reading again for comprehension, and not deceptively editing my quotes next time.

listless 5y ago

Do you really want the government deciding what disinformation is and having the authority to silence it? Remember, Trump was president less than a year ago.

adamrezich 5y ago

a full decade ago, this image macro was made https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/just-go-on-the-internet-and-tell-lies https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/just-go-on-the-internet-and-t... with the point being that it's ridiculous to assume that everything you read on the Web is truthful. this was understood by everyone who had used the Internet for more than a week. what happened to get us to the point where people like yourself expect, nay demand that the Web contains only truth? how is this mythical Truth supposed to be determined?