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My point never was that eco-terrorism is leading to more fires. It was that a state that can and has harbored extreme environmental organizations is more likely

My point never was that eco-terrorism is leading to more fires. It was that a state that can and has harbored extreme environmental organizations is more likely to have environmental groups sue the federal government to stop logging that the groups openly discuss as being distasteful and negative. I'm not claiming that eco-terror groups are going out and starting fires, but that a state that regularly spawns eco terror groups has a large environmental undercurrent in it's politics that lead to more organizations that will sue to prevent practices such as logging from happening. I'm not going to spend hours researching proof for a topic that I've lived and experienced for more then 20 years of my life in that state. My lived experiences in Oregon are one of extreme environmentalism being a regular occurrence, including camping in trees to prevent logging, lighting privately held businesses on fire, justifying wolves killing farmers livestock, and actively working to take away access rights of public lands in the name of environmentalism. I'm not going to spend a day sourcing all of these claims as they are easily discoverable via simple google searches.

glangdale 5y ago
I don't doubt your word that fringe environmentalist groups are pretty well established in Oregon. That said, the idea that these groups (or prevailing attitudes behind them) are preventing some form of logging that would actually help with wildfires (and yet is commercially viable) is something that you're more or less just making up from your hunches and anecdotes. At least here in Australia they just pull mature trees out and leave scrub as well as highly flammable waste behind. A lot of people need their asses kicked over this sort of issue: higher on the list are people who build right into the bush then yell bloody murder about controlled burns. CA definitely has a lot of these people, and there's probably a fake "greenie" undercurrent in the attitude (a sentimentalization of the bush). But the "greenies messed it all up" is a simplistic morality tale usually promulgated by people who know nothing about fire management and are looking to find something other than climate change to blame for our recent dire years.

glangdale 5y ago

I don't doubt your word that fringe environmentalist groups are pretty well established in Oregon. That said, the idea that these groups (or prevailing attitudes behind them) are preventing some form of logging that would actually help with wildfires (and yet is commercially viable) is something that you're more or less just making up from your hunches and anecdotes. At least here in Australia they just pull mature trees out and leave scrub as well as highly flammable waste behind. A lot of people need their asses kicked over this sort of issue: higher on the list are people who build right into the bush then yell bloody murder about controlled burns. CA definitely has a lot of these people, and there's probably a fake "greenie" undercurrent in the attitude (a sentimentalization of the bush). But the "greenies messed it all up" is a simplistic morality tale usually promulgated by people who know nothing about fire management and are looking to find something other than climate change to blame for our recent dire years.