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> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 sof

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, passwords is a lifetime need. So 80 years x 12 months = $4,790.4 and that seems like a cost that should be reduced out of one’s lifetime. Do I want to go to Tahiti once in my life, or pay for password convenience? Again, glad you’re happy but I don’t want to live in a world where I pay $5/month for commercials versions that crowd out what should be community, OSS tools. I love curl and it’s awesome, but don’t want to pay $5/month/forever. We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks.

nacho_weekend 5y ago
Personally, the added foolproof security and ease of sharing with non-tech savvy family makes that cost more than worth it for me personally.
- prepend 5y ago
  Again, I’m glad it works for you and others. I think about sustainability quite a bit and if everyone who needs password management spends what you’re comfortable spending, that’s a waste I think. And when tech stops making things cheaper and faster it’s a bit sad.
- greyhair 5y ago
  Bingo!
ValentineC 5y ago
> We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks. Yes, but like in many other cases, an efficient market would mean that they will always need to be better in most aspects than whatever free, open source, or simply lower cost competitor pops up. Unless they decide to prevent people from exporting their passwords, of course — and that's a big enough dealbreaker for me that I'd move away anyway, not caring how fancy or advanced the rest of their UX is.
rootusrootus 5y ago
> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.
- antiframe 5y ago
  A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.
  - rootusrootus 5y ago
    That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. It is the family plan that costs $4.99, and Bitwarden's family plan is not $0. It also assumes you don't want the features in the paid version of Bitwarden, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 1Password doesn't offer a free reduced-feature version, true.
    - antiframe 5y ago
      That's fair. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. 1Password is not free for anyone.
- Spivak 5y ago
  The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden
  - movedx 5y ago
    Simply not the same thing at all.
    - Spivak 5y ago
PascLeRasc 5y ago
So how was your trip to Tahiti?
- prepend 5y ago
  Well, I’m saving $5/month so I’ll tell you in a few decades.
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nacho_weekend 5y ago

Personally, the added foolproof security and ease of sharing with non-tech savvy family makes that cost more than worth it for me personally.

prepend 5y ago
Again, I’m glad it works for you and others. I think about sustainability quite a bit and if everyone who needs password management spends what you’re comfortable spending, that’s a waste I think. And when tech stops making things cheaper and faster it’s a bit sad.
greyhair 5y ago
Bingo!

ValentineC 5y ago

> We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks. Yes, but like in many other cases, an efficient market would mean that they will always need to be better in most aspects than whatever free, open source, or simply lower cost competitor pops up. Unless they decide to prevent people from exporting their passwords, of course — and that's a big enough dealbreaker for me that I'd move away anyway, not caring how fancy or advanced the rest of their UX is.

rootusrootus 5y ago

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

antiframe 5y ago
A more apt comparison is $0 for Bitwarden vs $4.99 for 1Password. Most people don't need the 'extra' functionality.
- rootusrootus 5y ago
  That comparison would be $2.99 for 1Password. It is the family plan that costs $4.99, and Bitwarden's family plan is not $0. It also assumes you don't want the features in the paid version of Bitwarden, so it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. 1Password doesn't offer a free reduced-feature version, true.
  - antiframe 5y ago
    That's fair. My point was that Bitwarden handles a good number of people's requirements in their free tier. 1Password is not free for anyone.
Spivak 5y ago
The $0 competition for normal people is KeePassX stored in Dropbox, OneDrive, GDrive. The $0 competition for hackers is https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden
- movedx 5y ago
  Simply not the same thing at all.
  - Spivak 5y ago

PascLeRasc 5y ago

So how was your trip to Tahiti?

prepend 5y ago
Well, I’m saving $5/month so I’ll tell you in a few decades.

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