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From what I've read the bill would not prevent Apple from forcing developers to use their payment system. It would prevent Apple from mandating devs use it as t

From what I've read the bill would not prevent Apple from forcing developers to use their payment system. It would prevent Apple from mandating devs use it as their only option. So, any developer could put any other payment system in their apps, but that wouldn't block you from still using Apple's if you don't trust that developer.

naravara 5y ago
Devs have enough UX dark patterns in their toolkits to funnel the vast majority of their non-technically savvy userbases into the their favored payment systems and away from Apple's. It is way easier to enforce a blanket ban than trying to play whack-a-mole with those. Apple doesn't even do a great job enforcing its blanket ban either. Lots of shady developers will skirt the rules around subscription apps still being functional without subscription by having it function while under review and then flip something on the server side to lock it down once approved.
- EMIRELADERO 5y ago
  > Devs have enough UX dark patterns in their toolkits to funnel the vast majority of their non-technically savvy userbases into the their favored payment systems and away from Apple's. It is way easier to enforce a blanket ban than trying to play whack-a-mole with those. If my interpretation of the bill is correct, then Apple could just say "You need to list Apple IAP in the same screen as the other payment methods, and you can't make it harder to find than the custom methods you implement." And knowing Apple, that's what they would do.
Sunfllowerfly 5y ago
Every single big company will only allow their payment method. None that can afford to change will want to pay Apple's cut if they don't have to. If this passes, for any big successful app, using Apple payment will not be an option. Small developers will likely still use Apple because it is easy. The cut is likely less than the hassle of using a different system. After an update took away the required login setting for a purchase, Twice I have called Apple and received a refund when my kid spent hundreds of dollars in a couple hours. What is going to happen when that is a malicious game developer? They are not giving that money back. The cable monopolies show how monopolies will make it exceedingly hard to cancel a subscription. As a mere consumer, that is no longer developing for a living, I do not want this option. I do not really care if companies have to pay Apple a cut. I want easy. I want to trust who has my credit card.
- rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y ago
  > Every single big company will only allow their payment method. Did you read the comment you replied to? Even if this passes, Apple will still be able to require that all apps offer Apple pay as an option for in-app payments. They just won't be able to prevent developers from offering additional payment options, or from informing users about Apple's 30% cut, or from charging a different price to users who opt to pay using another method.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    > Even if this passes, Apple will still be able to require that all apps offer Apple pay as an option for in-app payments. Not possible if the developer only offers their app via their own competing app store, which won't be subject to forced Apple Pay nor Apple's in-app payment system integration.
- michaelmrose 5y ago
  Don't allow your kid to have a device which also saves your credit card to the device.
  - judge2020 5y ago
    iOS Apps (at least the ones downloaded via Apple's App Store) have a pop-up for children to request their parents purchase an app or an in-app purchase. To add, this will probably not be possible if third-party developers start only offering their own payment methods.
    - michaelmrose 5y ago
      Apple could provide a way to communicate with the parent of a given account if they wanted to.

naravara 5y ago

Devs have enough UX dark patterns in their toolkits to funnel the vast majority of their non-technically savvy userbases into the their favored payment systems and away from Apple's. It is way easier to enforce a blanket ban than trying to play whack-a-mole with those. Apple doesn't even do a great job enforcing its blanket ban either. Lots of shady developers will skirt the rules around subscription apps still being functional without subscription by having it function while under review and then flip something on the server side to lock it down once approved.

EMIRELADERO 5y ago
> Devs have enough UX dark patterns in their toolkits to funnel the vast majority of their non-technically savvy userbases into the their favored payment systems and away from Apple's. It is way easier to enforce a blanket ban than trying to play whack-a-mole with those. If my interpretation of the bill is correct, then Apple could just say "You need to list Apple IAP in the same screen as the other payment methods, and you can't make it harder to find than the custom methods you implement." And knowing Apple, that's what they would do.

Sunfllowerfly 5y ago

Every single big company will only allow their payment method. None that can afford to change will want to pay Apple's cut if they don't have to. If this passes, for any big successful app, using Apple payment will not be an option. Small developers will likely still use Apple because it is easy. The cut is likely less than the hassle of using a different system. After an update took away the required login setting for a purchase, Twice I have called Apple and received a refund when my kid spent hundreds of dollars in a couple hours. What is going to happen when that is a malicious game developer? They are not giving that money back. The cable monopolies show how monopolies will make it exceedingly hard to cancel a subscription. As a mere consumer, that is no longer developing for a living, I do not want this option. I do not really care if companies have to pay Apple a cut. I want easy. I want to trust who has my credit card.

rrrrrrrrrrrryan 5y ago
> Every single big company will only allow their payment method. Did you read the comment you replied to? Even if this passes, Apple will still be able to require that all apps offer Apple pay as an option for in-app payments. They just won't be able to prevent developers from offering additional payment options, or from informing users about Apple's 30% cut, or from charging a different price to users who opt to pay using another method.
- judge2020 5y ago
  > Even if this passes, Apple will still be able to require that all apps offer Apple pay as an option for in-app payments. Not possible if the developer only offers their app via their own competing app store, which won't be subject to forced Apple Pay nor Apple's in-app payment system integration.
michaelmrose 5y ago
Don't allow your kid to have a device which also saves your credit card to the device.
- judge2020 5y ago
  iOS Apps (at least the ones downloaded via Apple's App Store) have a pop-up for children to request their parents purchase an app or an in-app purchase. To add, this will probably not be possible if third-party developers start only offering their own payment methods.
  - michaelmrose 5y ago
    Apple could provide a way to communicate with the parent of a given account if they wanted to.