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> I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay

> I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. I don't _want_ the ongoing development. Photoshop from 5 years ago is perfectly fine for me. Same with Lightroom, etc. I mean, I've only paid Apple _once_ for Logic Pro and have been getting upgrade after upgrade for no cost -- a nice bonus, but I'd be perfectly happy if logic's code had been set in stone at the moment of purchase, too. The consumer-friendly option is to let the consumer decide if they want upgrades. Or for a security-focused app like 1password I'd have believed something like "we don't want to be responsible for security problems if you decide not to upgrade, thus you must buy a yearly license" but that wasn't the message at all.

dkonofalski 5y ago
They did. They offered standalone licenses and subscriptions for an entire version's lifecycle and 97% (or something crazy high like that) of the people who downloaded went for the subscription. I've been a standalone user since v3 and finally upgraded after realizing that buying a license for Windows, Mac, and Linux would cost me more over 3 years than just paying the subscription.
- sleepybrett 5y ago
  Let me tell you, as someone who used 1password since 3.x .. when I went to buy 7.x standalone it took me over an hour to find the page that let me buy standalone over three sessions. Why did 97% buy the subscription? Because they hid the other version in a locked filing cabinet in a basement with a broken staircase.
  - dkonofalski 5y ago
    No, they didn't. Subscriptions happened when version 6 came out and that's the time period they're referring to when they're talking about those stats. There was literally 2 giant boxes of equal size asking if you wanted to use an account or a standalone vault. 97% of people chose the subscription.

dkonofalski 5y ago

They did. They offered standalone licenses and subscriptions for an entire version's lifecycle and 97% (or something crazy high like that) of the people who downloaded went for the subscription. I've been a standalone user since v3 and finally upgraded after realizing that buying a license for Windows, Mac, and Linux would cost me more over 3 years than just paying the subscription.

sleepybrett 5y ago
Let me tell you, as someone who used 1password since 3.x .. when I went to buy 7.x standalone it took me over an hour to find the page that let me buy standalone over three sessions. Why did 97% buy the subscription? Because they hid the other version in a locked filing cabinet in a basement with a broken staircase.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  No, they didn't. Subscriptions happened when version 6 came out and that's the time period they're referring to when they're talking about those stats. There was literally 2 giant boxes of equal size asking if you wanted to use an account or a standalone vault. 97% of people chose the subscription.