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I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

auslegung 5y ago
If the servers go down you'll never lose access to anything. You would lose sync while the servers were down but you would be able to access everything you already had on every device.
DavideNL 5y ago
Also I think the "head" of the family can reset passwords of the other accounts...
- DavideNL 5y ago
  Not sure why I'm being downvoted...: https://support.1password.com/recovery/ https://support.1password.com/recovery/ Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/
  - ValentineC 5y ago
    > Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ This makes losing local vault support an even bigger cause for alarm: > After you remove a family member’s account, they can’t sign in to 1Password, which means: > They lose all the items in their Private vault. Because the items weren’t shared with any other family members, no one will be able to access them. Imagine: the access credentials of the administrator gets compromised, and the entire's family's digital life, stored on 1Password, gets wiped by the malicious actor. The attack surface would be limited if instead, the removed user's license turns into a read-only one, like how 1Password currently deals with people using local vaults, and are not on a subscription.
    - romwell 5y ago
      More pragmatically, that's a prime opportunity for some to make a nasty divorce quite a bit more nasty. Big, big nope right there, thanks.
    - staticassertion 5y ago
      So don't use the family plan?
      - ValentineC 5y ago
        It's not a problem right now with 1Password 7, because family members are (as far as I know) able to use local vaults too.
      - DavideNL 5y ago
        ...which makes the subscription even more expensive.
prepend 5y ago
> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, passwords is a lifetime need. So 80 years x 12 months = $4,790.4 and that seems like a cost that should be reduced out of one’s lifetime. Do I want to go to Tahiti once in my life, or pay for password convenience? Again, glad you’re happy but I don’t want to live in a world where I pay $5/month for commercials versions that crowd out what should be community, OSS tools. I love curl and it’s awesome, but don’t want to pay $5/month/forever. We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks.
- nacho_weekend 5y ago
  Personally, the added foolproof security and ease of sharing with non-tech savvy family makes that cost more than worth it for me personally.
  - prepend 5y ago
    Again, I’m glad it works for you and others. I think about sustainability quite a bit and if everyone who needs password management spends what you’re comfortable spending, that’s a waste I think. And when tech stops making things cheaper and faster it’s a bit sad.
  - greyhair 5y ago
    Bingo!
- ValentineC 5y ago
  > We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks. Yes, but like in many other cases, an efficient market would mean that they will always need to be better in most aspects than whatever free, open source, or simply lower cost competitor pops up. Unless they decide to prevent people from exporting their passwords, of course — and that's a big enough dealbreaker for me that I'd move away anyway, not caring how fancy or advanced the rest of their UX is.
mst 5y ago
I'd vastly prefer to be able to do 'bring your own storage' but for that price I don't really see a problem with that being a "you can do that, but you pay the same subscription price anyway" feature.
- nucleardog 5y ago
  If they let me do that (and have more than one local vault) I'd still be using 1Password. I have no particular qualms with paying for software whether as a one-time purchase or a subscription. I just don't want all my stuff syncing to and reliant on 1Password's infra. I'll pay them $5/mo to self-host my own passwords. But they won't let me. So I switched to KeepassXC.
stereoradonc 5y ago
Affordability is a mirage- $5 per month and $60 per year wont break a bank but its a huge amount to justify other geographies where money transactions are NOT in $$
leokennis 5y ago
When you have a 1Password.com subscription, you are not "working in the cloud" like with Google Docs or something. Your vault is local, and synced to/from the cloud. Basically just like Dropbox. If your internet is down and you cannot reach Dropbox, all files synced to your computer are still there, on your computer. It's just that any changes you make locally or changes made on dropbox.com cannot be synced until your connection is back.

auslegung 5y ago

If the servers go down you'll never lose access to anything. You would lose sync while the servers were down but you would be able to access everything you already had on every device.

DavideNL 5y ago

Also I think the "head" of the family can reset passwords of the other accounts...

DavideNL 5y ago
Not sure why I'm being downvoted...: https://support.1password.com/recovery/ https://support.1password.com/recovery/ Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/
- ValentineC 5y ago
  > Ps. They can delete accounts too: https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ https://support.1password.com/add-remove-family-members/ This makes losing local vault support an even bigger cause for alarm: > After you remove a family member’s account, they can’t sign in to 1Password, which means: > They lose all the items in their Private vault. Because the items weren’t shared with any other family members, no one will be able to access them. Imagine: the access credentials of the administrator gets compromised, and the entire's family's digital life, stored on 1Password, gets wiped by the malicious actor. The attack surface would be limited if instead, the removed user's license turns into a read-only one, like how 1Password currently deals with people using local vaults, and are not on a subscription.
  - romwell 5y ago
    More pragmatically, that's a prime opportunity for some to make a nasty divorce quite a bit more nasty. Big, big nope right there, thanks.
  - staticassertion 5y ago
    So don't use the family plan?
    - ValentineC 5y ago
      It's not a problem right now with 1Password 7, because family members are (as far as I know) able to use local vaults too.
    - DavideNL 5y ago
      ...which makes the subscription even more expensive.

prepend 5y ago

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, passwords is a lifetime need. So 80 years x 12 months = $4,790.4 and that seems like a cost that should be reduced out of one’s lifetime. Do I want to go to Tahiti once in my life, or pay for password convenience? Again, glad you’re happy but I don’t want to live in a world where I pay $5/month for commercials versions that crowd out what should be community, OSS tools. I love curl and it’s awesome, but don’t want to pay $5/month/forever. We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks.

nacho_weekend 5y ago
Personally, the added foolproof security and ease of sharing with non-tech savvy family makes that cost more than worth it for me personally.
- prepend 5y ago
  Again, I’m glad it works for you and others. I think about sustainability quite a bit and if everyone who needs password management spends what you’re comfortable spending, that’s a waste I think. And when tech stops making things cheaper and faster it’s a bit sad.
- greyhair 5y ago
  Bingo!
ValentineC 5y ago
> We forget that taxes are inefficient and should be minimized where possible. A login tax for all eternity sucks. Yes, but like in many other cases, an efficient market would mean that they will always need to be better in most aspects than whatever free, open source, or simply lower cost competitor pops up. Unless they decide to prevent people from exporting their passwords, of course — and that's a big enough dealbreaker for me that I'd move away anyway, not caring how fancy or advanced the rest of their UX is.

mst 5y ago

I'd vastly prefer to be able to do 'bring your own storage' but for that price I don't really see a problem with that being a "you can do that, but you pay the same subscription price anyway" feature.

nucleardog 5y ago
If they let me do that (and have more than one local vault) I'd still be using 1Password. I have no particular qualms with paying for software whether as a one-time purchase or a subscription. I just don't want all my stuff syncing to and reliant on 1Password's infra. I'll pay them $5/mo to self-host my own passwords. But they won't let me. So I switched to KeepassXC.

stereoradonc 5y ago

Affordability is a mirage- $5 per month and $60 per year wont break a bank but its a huge amount to justify other geographies where money transactions are NOT in $$

leokennis 5y ago

When you have a 1Password.com subscription, you are not "working in the cloud" like with Google Docs or something. Your vault is local, and synced to/from the cloud. Basically just like Dropbox. If your internet is down and you cannot reach Dropbox, all files synced to your computer are still there, on your computer. It's just that any changes you make locally or changes made on dropbox.com cannot be synced until your connection is back.