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This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users.

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the vast majority of users of those products love. This has nothing to do with VC and everything with trying to build a better product for users that is easier to work on for developers.

jurip 5y ago
It may be a win for some users. I can’t see how switching my perfectly fine, frequently updated native app for a memory hogging web browser wrapper is a win for me. I’m actively looking for alternatives now.
aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago
^ says the co-founder of another webapp-in-a-window product
- hcolomb 5y ago
  I haven't commented enough to report you so I will just comment. This response goes against nearly every guideline for the site. Please don't attack fellow users just because you disagree with their opinion of technology stack. I've used a wide range of Electron applications and the quality varies just like any other tech.
evgen 5y ago
Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to justify that $2B valuation. As a long-time 1password shill I have hit my limit and will slowly start migrating to BitWarden and iCloud Keychain.
- selykg 5y ago
  Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain user here. I'm looking forward to the 2FA improvements in this year's macOS. It'll mean I could, in theory, mostly ditch Bitwarden as that's the big use case there for me. You can create a shortcut in the iOS shortcuts app to open the Passwords area of Settings via an icon on your Home Screen. Just open the following URL in the shortcut: prefs:root=PASSWORDS Best tip I have for you around iCloud Keychain right there.
  - theNJR 5y ago
    Wow, you’re the real MVP here. Thank you. For anyone who doesnt use shortcuts often, what you need to do in Shortcuts is: 1. Make a ‘URL’ action to prefs:root=PASSWORDS 2. Hit the ‘+’ and make a ‘Open URL’ action from safari. Save, add to Home Screen, and you’re done.
- mynameisvlad 5y ago
  VS Code would like a word with you.
  - TheRealDunkirk 5y ago
    Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.
    - mynameisvlad 5y ago
      And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish. But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.
      - dharmab 5y ago
        As a Vim user I will happily admit that Sublime is significantly faster in some key areas of daily use.
yssrn 5y ago
A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. Instead, the priorities should be reliability, UX responsiveness, and light resource usage.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  Unfortunately, that ship sailed when they took VC funding.
- ulisesrmzroche 5y ago
  That's achieved with frequent updates.
- deadpanPotato 5y ago
  ...and security, which absolutely requires frequent updates. A password manager should be updated all. the. time. on this factor alone.
handrous 5y ago
I have to treat each Electron program as having ~5-20x the system resource footprint of an equivalent native program—because they do. So they're going to get cut, or I'm going to pick a competitor to begin with, more often than a native app. That goes especially for anything I open often, or for anything it'd be convenient or necessary to leave running most or all of the time. Rarely-used programs, I mostly don't care, and Electron's fine.

jurip 5y ago

It may be a win for some users. I can’t see how switching my perfectly fine, frequently updated native app for a memory hogging web browser wrapper is a win for me. I’m actively looking for alternatives now.

aaaaaaaaaaab 5y ago

^ says the co-founder of another webapp-in-a-window product

hcolomb 5y ago
I haven't commented enough to report you so I will just comment. This response goes against nearly every guideline for the site. Please don't attack fellow users just because you disagree with their opinion of technology stack. I've used a wide range of Electron applications and the quality varies just like any other tech.

evgen 5y ago

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to justify that $2B valuation. As a long-time 1password shill I have hit my limit and will slowly start migrating to BitWarden and iCloud Keychain.

selykg 5y ago
Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain user here. I'm looking forward to the 2FA improvements in this year's macOS. It'll mean I could, in theory, mostly ditch Bitwarden as that's the big use case there for me. You can create a shortcut in the iOS shortcuts app to open the Passwords area of Settings via an icon on your Home Screen. Just open the following URL in the shortcut: prefs:root=PASSWORDS Best tip I have for you around iCloud Keychain right there.
- theNJR 5y ago
  Wow, you’re the real MVP here. Thank you. For anyone who doesnt use shortcuts often, what you need to do in Shortcuts is: 1. Make a ‘URL’ action to prefs:root=PASSWORDS 2. Hit the ‘+’ and make a ‘Open URL’ action from safari. Save, add to Home Screen, and you’re done.
mynameisvlad 5y ago
VS Code would like a word with you.
- TheRealDunkirk 5y ago
  Yeah, and there are dozens of us -- DOZENS! -- who continue to happily use SublimeText because VS Code feels so sluggish in comparison.
  - mynameisvlad 5y ago
    And that’s a completely valid choice to make! Some people use vim and emacs because they find Sublime too sluggish. But that doesn’t make VS Code “shit”. It’s pretty much the shining star of Electron done right.
    - dharmab 5y ago
      As a Vim user I will happily admit that Sublime is significantly faster in some key areas of daily use.

yssrn 5y ago

A password manager doesn't need frequent updates. Instead, the priorities should be reliability, UX responsiveness, and light resource usage.

AlexandrB 5y ago
Unfortunately, that ship sailed when they took VC funding.
ulisesrmzroche 5y ago
That's achieved with frequent updates.
deadpanPotato 5y ago
...and security, which absolutely requires frequent updates. A password manager should be updated all. the. time. on this factor alone.

handrous 5y ago

I have to treat each Electron program as having ~5-20x the system resource footprint of an equivalent native program—because they do. So they're going to get cut, or I'm going to pick a competitor to begin with, more often than a native app. That goes especially for anything I open often, or for anything it'd be convenient or necessary to leave running most or all of the time. Rarely-used programs, I mostly don't care, and Electron's fine.