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The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-y

by xuki 5y ago

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launching-1password-takes-first-funding-a-200m-series-a/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

judge2020 5y ago
https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/ I'd only recommend LastPass if you're a fan of LogMeIn, Ltd. and only being able to see your passwords either on Desktop or Mobile (on the free version).
- dylan604 5y ago
  Sorry, but where else other than Desktop or Mobile are there to view data?
  - judge2020 5y ago
    I mean you can only view your passwords on mobile, OR you can only view your passwords on desktop. On the free version, you can't be signed into both desktop and mobile at the same time, and you can only switch 3 times. https://support.logmeininc.com/lastpass/help/what-can-i-expect-to-change-for-lastpass-free-on-march-16-2021 https://support.logmeininc.com/lastpass/help/what-can-i-expe...
_jal 5y ago
Second vote for Bitwarden. Lastpass is a bucket of ass. They've had security bugs in their browser extension before, but it is almost required to use it - the webapp works horribly without it. My least-used browser gets that extension, so it isn't running most of the time, at least. And with it, the UI is still terrible. The app is just awkward and poorly done. The one good thing I can say is the user/group model is reasonably implemented.
- fortuna86 5y ago
  I just went through all the trouble of setting up Bitwarden, the built-in 2fa from 1P doesn't seem to transfer over, or doesn't work with the chrome extension at least.
jl_agilebits 5y ago
Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster development cycles, and better security. When building the front-end for the desktop platforms that would take advantage of this new core, Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. We actually did build a native Mac app initially alongside the cross-platform Electron app, but we eventually decided that having two separate versions of the macOS app (one in Electron, one in SwiftUI) would cause a lot of needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team. I can understand your frustration about Electron, but I hope you find my explanation reasonable. Please stop spreading misinformation.
- bgentry 5y ago
  >Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. This is the source of your mistake. Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. Cross-platform UIs are inarguably a worse user experience than UIs tailored to the conventions and designs of each OS. A Mac app that doesn't actually feel or behave like a Mac app is not a good Mac app. The same is true with tvOS apps like YouTube and Prime Video that don't actually feel or act like good tvOS apps.
  - scrollaway 5y ago
    > Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS vendors don't have). You're speaking as if it's fait accompli that 1password made a mistake picking electron. It is not, and I am fairly certain they did not.
Groxx 5y ago
Strong "do not want" for lastpass. Run far, far away. I switched to KeePassXC a while ago due to the increasing hostility over local stores. Looks like I was right on the money. KeePass has served me pretty well - it's not as polished, but it works absolutely everywhere due to the numerous client apps on many OSes, and it syncs normally. Toss on something like Dropsync for mobile, and it's pretty streamlined: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dr...

by xuki 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/ https://bitwarden.com/help/article/import-from-1password/ I'd only recommend LastPass if you're a fan of LogMeIn, Ltd. and only being able to see your passwords either on Desktop or Mobile (on the free version).

dylan604 5y ago
Sorry, but where else other than Desktop or Mobile are there to view data?
- judge2020 5y ago
  I mean you can only view your passwords on mobile, OR you can only view your passwords on desktop. On the free version, you can't be signed into both desktop and mobile at the same time, and you can only switch 3 times. https://support.logmeininc.com/lastpass/help/what-can-i-expect-to-change-for-lastpass-free-on-march-16-2021 https://support.logmeininc.com/lastpass/help/what-can-i-expe...

_jal 5y ago

Second vote for Bitwarden. Lastpass is a bucket of ass. They've had security bugs in their browser extension before, but it is almost required to use it - the webapp works horribly without it. My least-used browser gets that extension, so it isn't running most of the time, at least. And with it, the UI is still terrible. The app is just awkward and poorly done. The one good thing I can say is the user/group model is reasonably implemented.

fortuna86 5y ago
I just went through all the trouble of setting up Bitwarden, the built-in 2fa from 1P doesn't seem to transfer over, or doesn't work with the chrome extension at least.

jl_agilebits 5y ago

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster development cycles, and better security. When building the front-end for the desktop platforms that would take advantage of this new core, Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. We actually did build a native Mac app initially alongside the cross-platform Electron app, but we eventually decided that having two separate versions of the macOS app (one in Electron, one in SwiftUI) would cause a lot of needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team. I can understand your frustration about Electron, but I hope you find my explanation reasonable. Please stop spreading misinformation.

bgentry 5y ago
>Electron suited us perfectly, since we could write our UI code once and make it consistent across Linux, Windows, and Mac. This is the source of your mistake. Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. Cross-platform UIs are inarguably a worse user experience than UIs tailored to the conventions and designs of each OS. A Mac app that doesn't actually feel or behave like a Mac app is not a good Mac app. The same is true with tvOS apps like YouTube and Prime Video that don't actually feel or act like good tvOS apps.
- scrollaway 5y ago
  > Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments Um, speak for yourself. I personally don't like having the docs showcase completely different UIs to the one I'm using. I also like having an app i can run on Linux, which has been happening a lot more since Electron became a thing (no sane company wants to write apps in GTK, and much as Qt is a great toolkit it requires expertise most SaaS vendors don't have). You're speaking as if it's fait accompli that 1password made a mistake picking electron. It is not, and I am fairly certain they did not.

Groxx 5y ago

Strong "do not want" for lastpass. Run far, far away. I switched to KeePassXC a while ago due to the increasing hostility over local stores. Looks like I was right on the money. KeePass has served me pretty well - it's not as polished, but it works absolutely everywhere due to the numerous client apps on many OSes, and it syncs normally. Toss on something like Dropsync for mobile, and it's pretty streamlined: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dropsync https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ttxapps.dr...