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Why do you think it’s going to be slower, and in comparison to what?

gumby 5y ago
> Why do you think it’s going to be slower Have you ever used an electron app? Typically slow and laggy. Worse, your workflow is typically slower since the user don’t get any the advantages of native integration.
- kristofferR 5y ago
  Yeah, just look at this atrocity: https://twitter.com/parrots/status/1425481491245670404/photo/1 https://twitter.com/parrots/status/1425481491245670404/photo... They didn't even bother using a real window for the app settings, they just use an Electron modal window.
  - aniforprez 5y ago
    You've been spamming this comment repeatedly on this thread. I don't think this is particularly deal breaking or concerning at all. Electron apps actually have no issues spawning new windows for settings and such. Here it just seems like a different design design and not a particularly egregious one. I'm really not sure what's so earth shatteringly awful about this. If you show me something that shows the app actively losing functionality because of this change I will agree that this was a bad move
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Yes, I have used electron apps, often. I don't think it's possible to generalize or identify causality as you have cleaved the problem here.
rvz 5y ago
> Why do you think it’s going to be slower Electron is the explanation and it takes up CPU, RAM and Disk Space. If you are running other Electron apps, 1Password is now going to be even more slower. > and in comparison to what? In comparison to 1Password 7 which that is fully native vs the upcoming 1Password 8 which is sitting inside an entire browser.
- the_optimist 5y ago
  Do you happen to know the footprint required in a base application of each?
  - rvz 5y ago
    They seem to know: [0] But even through basic inspection, almost all Electron apps are always more than 120MB of disk space (After unzipping) and when run it is copied to RAM which is at least another 120MB. Multiply that with the number of Electron apps you are currently running and you can see that it doesn't scale on the limited resources of your own machine. Especially if the user is primarily using Chrome with tons of tabs open. [0] https://scl.utah.edu/pdf/mac_mgrs/20200617_mm/20200617_mm_electron.pdf https://scl.utah.edu/pdf/mac_mgrs/20200617_mm/20200617_mm_el...
cytzol 5y ago
I agree that moving to Electron is not a guarantee that an application will be slower than it is before. Unfortunately, though, I tried it out and 1Password 8 is laggy — noticeably, awkwardly laggy — compared to 1Password 7. I wrote up my experience in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305

> Why do you think it’s going to be slower Have you ever used an electron app? Typically slow and laggy. Worse, your workflow is typically slower since the user don’t get any the advantages of native integration.

kristofferR 5y ago
Yeah, just look at this atrocity: https://twitter.com/parrots/status/1425481491245670404/photo/1 https://twitter.com/parrots/status/1425481491245670404/photo... They didn't even bother using a real window for the app settings, they just use an Electron modal window.
- aniforprez 5y ago
  You've been spamming this comment repeatedly on this thread. I don't think this is particularly deal breaking or concerning at all. Electron apps actually have no issues spawning new windows for settings and such. Here it just seems like a different design design and not a particularly egregious one. I'm really not sure what's so earth shatteringly awful about this. If you show me something that shows the app actively losing functionality because of this change I will agree that this was a bad move
the_optimist 5y ago
Yes, I have used electron apps, often. I don't think it's possible to generalize or identify causality as you have cleaved the problem here.

rvz 5y ago

> Why do you think it’s going to be slower Electron is the explanation and it takes up CPU, RAM and Disk Space. If you are running other Electron apps, 1Password is now going to be even more slower. > and in comparison to what? In comparison to 1Password 7 which that is fully native vs the upcoming 1Password 8 which is sitting inside an entire browser.

the_optimist 5y ago
Do you happen to know the footprint required in a base application of each?
- rvz 5y ago
  They seem to know: [0] But even through basic inspection, almost all Electron apps are always more than 120MB of disk space (After unzipping) and when run it is copied to RAM which is at least another 120MB. Multiply that with the number of Electron apps you are currently running and you can see that it doesn't scale on the limited resources of your own machine. Especially if the user is primarily using Chrome with tons of tabs open. [0] https://scl.utah.edu/pdf/mac_mgrs/20200617_mm/20200617_mm_electron.pdf https://scl.utah.edu/pdf/mac_mgrs/20200617_mm/20200617_mm_el...

cytzol 5y ago

I agree that moving to Electron is not a guarantee that an application will be slower than it is before. Unfortunately, though, I tried it out and 1Password 8 is laggy — noticeably, awkwardly laggy — compared to 1Password 7. I wrote up my experience in the other thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28147305