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In addition to the bait and switch comment, 1Password is an always-running app. Congrats, they just decided 1500MB of your ram is theirs now.

throwawaycuriou 5y ago
In my experience for most Electron apps we're talking 150MB and you're exaggerating by 10x.
aniforprez 5y ago
This is based on what? Poorly written apps like Slack? I'm so surprised how people make blanket statements like this. I'll wait and see how performance is affected by the change before making such uninformed judgements
- geodel 5y ago
  So Slack developed by a billion dollar company is poorly written and not fixed for years but 1Password somehow will escape all performance issues?
  - aniforprez 5y ago
    Slack was actually very poorly written by their own admission until they recently overhauled a lot of it. It's not particularly all that bad anymore though I don't have access to my Mac right now to check. 1Password has taken great strides so far to improve security and enhance performance in their apps and extensions. All I can say is I will wait and see rather than make baseless accusations and hyperbole I literally don't understand the derision. Not one person in this thread has said anything about the Linux client yet everyone wants to chime in about how electron sucks and is a resource hog without an inkling of what the actual state of their client is
    - saagarjha 5y ago
      Slack remains poorly written, you don't need to check. 1Password says they are taking strides to enhance performance of their apps but this isn't looking great for them: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921
      - aniforprez 5y ago
        The thread seems to have actual performance metrics and some features that are missing from the new release. Yes, this is not looking great for them. Hopefully some stuff gets sorted but this does look grim. It's not too bad but 150 MB for a password manager 3x what it used to be is not great
  - epicspongee 5y ago
    Yeah actually, they will. The reason why Slack had all of those issues was because they kept all of their business logic in JS, which led to increased memory consumption. With 1Password, the UI is just a thin layer on top of a Rust-based core, which keeps things fast and memory-light. Also I checked Activity Monitor on macOS. 1Password 7 uses up 120 MB of RAM. The new 1Password uses up... 50MB.
- basisword 5y ago
  No need to wait and see. Side by side comparison here: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921?s=21 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921... Also - they’ve publically states the new app was built using technologies none of their employees have used before so I don’t expect them to build an electron app better than anyone else.
steveklabnik 5y ago
I'm using the Windows beta, and there are 3 background process. One is using 4.5mb of RAM, one 32, and one 43.9.
- pushrax 5y ago
  For reference, using native 1Password 7 on an M1 Air, the main background app is using 190.8 MB and there's another 26 MB split across two other processes...
  - steveklabnik 5y ago
    Is that physical or virtual memory? I know that on Windows, it reports physical, but I haven't used the Mac tooling in long enough to remember.
    - pushrax 5y ago
      Physical.
      - steveklabnik 5y ago
        Cool thanks, I figured, but wanted to make sure.
  - epicspongee 5y ago
    120MB of RAM here on 1Password 7. This new app is using 106MB with the exact same window open. With the UI closed, the new app only uses 50MB of memory. They've done an excellent job on this.

throwawaycuriou 5y ago

In my experience for most Electron apps we're talking 150MB and you're exaggerating by 10x.

aniforprez 5y ago

This is based on what? Poorly written apps like Slack? I'm so surprised how people make blanket statements like this. I'll wait and see how performance is affected by the change before making such uninformed judgements

geodel 5y ago
So Slack developed by a billion dollar company is poorly written and not fixed for years but 1Password somehow will escape all performance issues?
- aniforprez 5y ago
  Slack was actually very poorly written by their own admission until they recently overhauled a lot of it. It's not particularly all that bad anymore though I don't have access to my Mac right now to check. 1Password has taken great strides so far to improve security and enhance performance in their apps and extensions. All I can say is I will wait and see rather than make baseless accusations and hyperbole I literally don't understand the derision. Not one person in this thread has said anything about the Linux client yet everyone wants to chime in about how electron sucks and is a resource hog without an inkling of what the actual state of their client is
  - saagarjha 5y ago
    Slack remains poorly written, you don't need to check. 1Password says they are taking strides to enhance performance of their apps but this isn't looking great for them: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921
    - aniforprez 5y ago
      The thread seems to have actual performance metrics and some features that are missing from the new release. Yes, this is not looking great for them. Hopefully some stuff gets sorted but this does look grim. It's not too bad but 150 MB for a password manager 3x what it used to be is not great
- epicspongee 5y ago
  Yeah actually, they will. The reason why Slack had all of those issues was because they kept all of their business logic in JS, which led to increased memory consumption. With 1Password, the UI is just a thin layer on top of a Rust-based core, which keeps things fast and memory-light. Also I checked Activity Monitor on macOS. 1Password 7 uses up 120 MB of RAM. The new 1Password uses up... 50MB.
basisword 5y ago
No need to wait and see. Side by side comparison here: https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921?s=21 https://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1425490443400273921... Also - they’ve publically states the new app was built using technologies none of their employees have used before so I don’t expect them to build an electron app better than anyone else.

steveklabnik 5y ago

I'm using the Windows beta, and there are 3 background process. One is using 4.5mb of RAM, one 32, and one 43.9.

pushrax 5y ago
For reference, using native 1Password 7 on an M1 Air, the main background app is using 190.8 MB and there's another 26 MB split across two other processes...
- steveklabnik 5y ago
  Is that physical or virtual memory? I know that on Windows, it reports physical, but I haven't used the Mac tooling in long enough to remember.
  - pushrax 5y ago
    Physical.
    - steveklabnik 5y ago
      Cool thanks, I figured, but wanted to make sure.
- epicspongee 5y ago
  120MB of RAM here on 1Password 7. This new app is using 106MB with the exact same window open. With the UI closed, the new app only uses 50MB of memory. They've done an excellent job on this.