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>> consistent across OS versions and platforms. > This is an upside for the developer only. This is definitely not the case. For some apps/branding, a particul

>> consistent across OS versions and platforms. > This is an upside for the developer only. This is definitely not the case. For some apps/branding, a particular style is more desirable than making sure a checkbox looks 100% native on each platform. And even the things that benefit the developer are not upsides just for them (think lower initial design & dev costs, lower testing costs, lower costs of new features - all of which mean resources can be allocated elsewhere). > the GUI will probably not be consistent with its OS. Like I mentioned, there seems to be a trend away from this as a goal anyway (even within the set of OS-provided apps). Probably it's a combination of it not mattering as much as we originally thought it did, and because end-users now have a familiarity with a core set of UI concepts. There's a short list of things you do to make a button be "button-y", and users know to click on it. They just don't care if it looks different than the buttons in some unrelated app.

robertoandred 5y ago
There’s more to being a native app than the look of a checkbox.
CRConrad 5y ago
> There's a short list of things you do to make a button be "button-y", and users know to click on it. Could someone please inform Microsoft of this, so maybe they could try that in "Skype for Business"? I have to use the fucking thing at work, and it's even more afflicted by the fucking Flat Where Everything Looks The Same look than the rest of their apps and OSes. For instance, whenever I'm in a chat with someone and initiate an audio call by clicking on the round blue handset button, it pops up a helpful little tooltip/label in the form of a (squared-off, because Modern) speech bubble! to tell me that what I've just initiated is a "Skype Call". Then I sit there and wait for them to pick up for a while, before I remember that the fucking speech bubble IS A BUTTON, and that I need to click again to start a call. Holy fucking goddamn shit! The absolute worst company at following Microsoft's UI guidelines is... Microsoft. Another example: Just a few hours ago I was switching back and forth between Excel and my text editor, copying stuff from one to the other. Half the time when I though Excel had focus, it didn't -- because the fucking thing can't even de-highlight its bloody title bar! Their interfaces absolutely suck nowadays.

robertoandred 5y ago

There’s more to being a native app than the look of a checkbox.

CRConrad 5y ago

> There's a short list of things you do to make a button be "button-y", and users know to click on it. Could someone please inform Microsoft of this, so maybe they could try that in "Skype for Business"? I have to use the fucking thing at work, and it's even more afflicted by the fucking Flat Where Everything Looks The Same look than the rest of their apps and OSes. For instance, whenever I'm in a chat with someone and initiate an audio call by clicking on the round blue handset button, it pops up a helpful little tooltip/label in the form of a (squared-off, because Modern) speech bubble! to tell me that what I've just initiated is a "Skype Call". Then I sit there and wait for them to pick up for a while, before I remember that the fucking speech bubble IS A BUTTON, and that I need to click again to start a call. Holy fucking goddamn shit! The absolute worst company at following Microsoft's UI guidelines is... Microsoft. Another example: Just a few hours ago I was switching back and forth between Excel and my text editor, copying stuff from one to the other. Half the time when I though Excel had focus, it didn't -- because the fucking thing can't even de-highlight its bloody title bar! Their interfaces absolutely suck nowadays.