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He admitted to sending that email to a 17 year old.

nudpiedo 5y ago
Not sure what the content of the email was, but in such situation this person should go to the police first rather than make a campaign.
- ericpruitt 5y ago
  In some places, the age of consent is 17 (or lower), so without physical coercion, Aubrey may not have a legal leg to stand on depending on the content of the message.
  - nudpiedo 5y ago
    Although that’s right I still totally ignore the content of that email and if it was ilegal that should be put in the knowledge of the legal tutors and authorities. The other thing is that this person as she turned an adult continued the contact with this person, so I don’t really think a public scandal is justified.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  Things that are not strictly illegal may still be unethical. Do you feel that individuals should never raise awareness about unethical behavior unless it is illegal?
  - nudpiedo 5y ago
    This is a good point and I agree with you. Still not sure whether a public prosecution is the best thing as I completely ignore such email between both parties and this person as full grown adult still decided to go work with him.
- jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
  You have no conception of how useless if not outright hostile police are to this kind of issue. In this case, the two accusers took the exactly correct action: once they compared experiences and realized there was a pattern here, not a one off isolated mistake, they raised the issue with the organization. The organization is taking what they're saying seriously enough to retain an independent investigator, though almost certainly their ultimate goal is organizational CYA.
  - garmaine 5y ago
    > though almost certainly their ultimate goal is organizational CYA. This is why it was not the correct action, although you are right that the police in America are worse than useless on these issues.
  - nudpiedo 5y ago
    We aren’t in the age of rocks and stones and revenges. The police snd the justice is for everyone and if it isn’t that should be the top first priority before any social justice campaign individual moves. Some people in this forum seems to depict people who just don’t agree in their modus operandi.
    - krisoft 5y ago
      > if it isn’t It isn’t. > should be the top first priority before any social justice campaign individual moves So you are saying that we have to fix the whole society before anyone can tell anyone’s boss that the person in question was creeping on them in a position of authority. Do we also have to solve poverty before or only the gender related injustices? > Some people in this forum seems to depict people who just don’t agree in their modus operandi. Sorry I don’t understand you. Who depicts whom doing what?
dkersten 5y ago
What was in the email? I didn't see it posted and the short quotes she wrote didn't really have anything in them. I mean, inappropriate, possibly, but not on its own evidence of malice or predation. People say dumb shit all the time, in person, over email, on the phone, etc. We know he said something he shouldn't have, but we don't know exactly what, his motives or whether it was just a "dumb shit" mistake, and I don't see enough evidence here in either direction. Maybe he's a predator, but without seeing the content of the email, I don't know whether sending it to a 17 year old is evidence of that.
- dkersten 5y ago
  After spending the last day watching my two comments here bounce between positive and negative karma, without a single reply, I have to ask the people that silently downvoted: Do you have information I don't? Have you seen the email? It seems my statement was rather divisive: plenty of people disagreed or disliked it enough to downvote, yet enough people agreed to balance it out again. But nobody replied. Nobody corrected my logic or gave a counter argument. Just to be clear: I'm not saying that the guy is innocent, I'm saying I don't know if he's innocent or guilty and that the information we have isn't enough to know. I don't care either way, I don't know any of the people involved, I have no skin in the game. But I despise lynch mobs where people try to ruin someones life based purely on an allegation, without any evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that their allegations are true. This post didn't do that, it only showed that further investigation is required, it did not prove guilt. The email does not prove guilt or wrongdoing, just lack of judgement, which pretty much everyone is guilty of at one point or another. But these lynch mobs are dangerous, people have had and do have their lives ruined over an outrage mob, based on completely false, misinterpreted or blown out of proportion accusations. Until we know with absolute certainty that this isn't the case, we shouldn't try to destroy others' lives.

Not sure what the content of the email was, but in such situation this person should go to the police first rather than make a campaign.

ericpruitt 5y ago
In some places, the age of consent is 17 (or lower), so without physical coercion, Aubrey may not have a legal leg to stand on depending on the content of the message.
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  Although that’s right I still totally ignore the content of that email and if it was ilegal that should be put in the knowledge of the legal tutors and authorities. The other thing is that this person as she turned an adult continued the contact with this person, so I don’t really think a public scandal is justified.
joshuamorton 5y ago
Things that are not strictly illegal may still be unethical. Do you feel that individuals should never raise awareness about unethical behavior unless it is illegal?
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  This is a good point and I agree with you. Still not sure whether a public prosecution is the best thing as I completely ignore such email between both parties and this person as full grown adult still decided to go work with him.
jasonwatkinspdx 5y ago
You have no conception of how useless if not outright hostile police are to this kind of issue. In this case, the two accusers took the exactly correct action: once they compared experiences and realized there was a pattern here, not a one off isolated mistake, they raised the issue with the organization. The organization is taking what they're saying seriously enough to retain an independent investigator, though almost certainly their ultimate goal is organizational CYA.
- garmaine 5y ago
  > though almost certainly their ultimate goal is organizational CYA. This is why it was not the correct action, although you are right that the police in America are worse than useless on these issues.
- nudpiedo 5y ago
  We aren’t in the age of rocks and stones and revenges. The police snd the justice is for everyone and if it isn’t that should be the top first priority before any social justice campaign individual moves. Some people in this forum seems to depict people who just don’t agree in their modus operandi.
  - krisoft 5y ago
    > if it isn’t It isn’t. > should be the top first priority before any social justice campaign individual moves So you are saying that we have to fix the whole society before anyone can tell anyone’s boss that the person in question was creeping on them in a position of authority. Do we also have to solve poverty before or only the gender related injustices? > Some people in this forum seems to depict people who just don’t agree in their modus operandi. Sorry I don’t understand you. Who depicts whom doing what?

dkersten 5y ago

What was in the email? I didn't see it posted and the short quotes she wrote didn't really have anything in them. I mean, inappropriate, possibly, but not on its own evidence of malice or predation. People say dumb shit all the time, in person, over email, on the phone, etc. We know he said something he shouldn't have, but we don't know exactly what, his motives or whether it was just a "dumb shit" mistake, and I don't see enough evidence here in either direction. Maybe he's a predator, but without seeing the content of the email, I don't know whether sending it to a 17 year old is evidence of that.

dkersten 5y ago
After spending the last day watching my two comments here bounce between positive and negative karma, without a single reply, I have to ask the people that silently downvoted: Do you have information I don't? Have you seen the email? It seems my statement was rather divisive: plenty of people disagreed or disliked it enough to downvote, yet enough people agreed to balance it out again. But nobody replied. Nobody corrected my logic or gave a counter argument. Just to be clear: I'm not saying that the guy is innocent, I'm saying I don't know if he's innocent or guilty and that the information we have isn't enough to know. I don't care either way, I don't know any of the people involved, I have no skin in the game. But I despise lynch mobs where people try to ruin someones life based purely on an allegation, without any evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that their allegations are true. This post didn't do that, it only showed that further investigation is required, it did not prove guilt. The email does not prove guilt or wrongdoing, just lack of judgement, which pretty much everyone is guilty of at one point or another. But these lynch mobs are dangerous, people have had and do have their lives ruined over an outrage mob, based on completely false, misinterpreted or blown out of proportion accusations. Until we know with absolute certainty that this isn't the case, we shouldn't try to destroy others' lives.