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This is only tangentially connected to this specific project, but I'd make the general point of, if you want something to become popular (or expect it to become

This is only tangentially connected to this specific project, but I'd make the general point of, if you want something to become popular (or expect it to become popular), naming your project is important, and using names that are also general words is possibly a bad idea. Googling for things that have multiple meanings is a nightmare, as it can clash with the other meanings. I use Kind the Kubernetes project and find searching for issues related to it tricky for this reason.

LangMakers 5y ago
Is that really the case, though? Python, C, Rust, Ruby, Go, R, Swift, Perl. One is type of snake, the other is a type stone, and then there is a freaking letter. It seems like the less googlable the name is, the popular programming language becomes. Or, at least, that it doesn't matter that much. I swear I considered that when naming the language Kind. That could have been a terrible move though.
- raesene9 5y ago
  Finding go things is a pain (for me) because go is a very general word, I generally use golang to avoid that. Python is easy 'cause the other meaning is a real noun, so disambiguation is easy. Kind is a general word, another tech project, and also a programming term. just an opinion ofc :)
  - haskellandchill 5y ago
    Kindlang, problem solved
    - LangMakers 5y ago
      Speaking of names, I love yours
- cole-k 5y ago
  Disclaimer: I am not an SEO expert I think you should be fine if you call it "kindlang" or "kind lang" everywhere. You have to understand that the languages Python, C, and even Ruby have been around for a long time, and I would wager SEO mattered much less when they were being created. This is obviously true for C, and arguably true for the others. To boot, many of them are often searched for with "(programming) lang(uage)" as an associated query. Similar arguments follow for the rest (Go/Swfit/Rust are supported by big companies, Perl is a unique string, etc.). What is unfortunate for your language is that Kinds are something associated with PLs theory AND it also seems to be that many people are interested in searching for "what kinds of programming languages are there?" ("kind" in the sense of "type of language"). If I were you, I wouldn't let it get to me – I think this project is cool regardless of name. But if popularity matters to you, maybe try and emphasize "kindlang".
- mburns 5y ago
  I generally agree, but Perl != Pearl
- zem 5y ago
  it's not that the name means other things, it's that it's a very generic word that is used in lots of other contexts, several of which are programming and even language related. I had the same issues searching for "Nice" and "Clean" back in the day.
msdrigg 5y ago
“Kind language” really is terrible seo wow.
BenTheElder 5y ago
FWIW: That project was started as an internal tool with a playful acronym and then went from obscure to well-known enough to making renaming a somewhat regrettable concept rather quickly just due to momentum. I think we'd have named it differently if we were aiming for widespread usage :-) We had no reason to worry about making it popular, the effort was staffed to improve developing Kubernetes itself. As for googling, I recommend adding keywords like "kubernetes" and for issues searching the repo itself or reaching out to the community for help https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kind#community https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kind#community That tool is written in "Go" which also somewhat famously doesn't search well without changing your terms up a bit.

LangMakers 5y ago

Is that really the case, though? Python, C, Rust, Ruby, Go, R, Swift, Perl. One is type of snake, the other is a type stone, and then there is a freaking letter. It seems like the less googlable the name is, the popular programming language becomes. Or, at least, that it doesn't matter that much. I swear I considered that when naming the language Kind. That could have been a terrible move though.

raesene9 5y ago
Finding go things is a pain (for me) because go is a very general word, I generally use golang to avoid that. Python is easy 'cause the other meaning is a real noun, so disambiguation is easy. Kind is a general word, another tech project, and also a programming term. just an opinion ofc :)
- haskellandchill 5y ago
  Kindlang, problem solved
  - LangMakers 5y ago
    Speaking of names, I love yours
cole-k 5y ago
Disclaimer: I am not an SEO expert I think you should be fine if you call it "kindlang" or "kind lang" everywhere. You have to understand that the languages Python, C, and even Ruby have been around for a long time, and I would wager SEO mattered much less when they were being created. This is obviously true for C, and arguably true for the others. To boot, many of them are often searched for with "(programming) lang(uage)" as an associated query. Similar arguments follow for the rest (Go/Swfit/Rust are supported by big companies, Perl is a unique string, etc.). What is unfortunate for your language is that Kinds are something associated with PLs theory AND it also seems to be that many people are interested in searching for "what kinds of programming languages are there?" ("kind" in the sense of "type of language"). If I were you, I wouldn't let it get to me – I think this project is cool regardless of name. But if popularity matters to you, maybe try and emphasize "kindlang".
mburns 5y ago
I generally agree, but Perl != Pearl
zem 5y ago
it's not that the name means other things, it's that it's a very generic word that is used in lots of other contexts, several of which are programming and even language related. I had the same issues searching for "Nice" and "Clean" back in the day.

msdrigg 5y ago

“Kind language” really is terrible seo wow.

BenTheElder 5y ago

FWIW: That project was started as an internal tool with a playful acronym and then went from obscure to well-known enough to making renaming a somewhat regrettable concept rather quickly just due to momentum. I think we'd have named it differently if we were aiming for widespread usage :-) We had no reason to worry about making it popular, the effort was staffed to improve developing Kubernetes itself. As for googling, I recommend adding keywords like "kubernetes" and for issues searching the repo itself or reaching out to the community for help https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kind#community https://github.com/kubernetes-sigs/kind#community That tool is written in "Go" which also somewhat famously doesn't search well without changing your terms up a bit.