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As a Russian I actually don't want to comment on such posts at all. As I see here and in other similar topics, the main result is a "Russian paid bot/troll acco

As a Russian I actually don't want to comment on such posts at all. As I see here and in other similar topics, the main result is a "Russian paid bot/troll account" label, and it's widely accepted as a normal response. So much for "freedom of speech". At least the "correct" point of view doesn't get muc arguments against it, right?

koheripbal 5y ago
Agreed. The quality of HN has gone down significantly with its greater popularity. A lot of Reddit refugees bringing their baggage.
martythemaniak 5y ago
"Freedom of Speech" doesn't mean people are supposed to automatically respect or agree with whatever random thing you say. The definition is closer to "Don't kill people like Navalny because they filmed your dacha". A foreign concept in contemporary Russia.
- spyckie2 5y ago
  Contextually, the person is arguing that being called a russian troll / bot is reducing the quality of discussion and is also shutting up alternative viewpoints. The "freedom of speech" comment is merely a vent, and such generalizations is rarely fact... just like "A foreign concept in contemporary Russia" is a vent and generalization as well.
- sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
  You are wrong. I'm not saying everybody should automatically like what I say. The issue here is that virtually nobody (here) cares about what you say as long as you can be "labeled", i.e., labeled as a Russian bot/troll account. That's it.
  - martythemaniak 5y ago
    Your comment history when I replied was precisely one comment. Nobody knows what you want to say, nor what your views are. Generally, you should just say what you want to say and no worry about being down or upvoted. But if your views are indistinguishable from a paid troll's views, that's no one's problem but yours. Maybe you should even reconsider them? At least those guys get paid for posting their talking points.
    - sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
      You're saying that I should consider changing my views not to be equal to views of accounts who are called "paid trolls" by somebody. Nice approach to self-censorship.
      - wcarron 5y ago
        You completely missed his point.
        pessimizer 5y ago
        No, his point was ignored and a thing he said was commented on.
        wcarron 5y ago
        Is there a meaningful distinction in this case?
      - darthrupert 5y ago
        Yes, you probably should. It's similar to saying that "just because I agree with what nazis say does not mean I am one!" Sure, technically true, but still something to consider a bit.
        d0mine 5y ago
        So you equating being Russian with being a nazi. Nice. Propaganda works.
  - ymolodtsov 5y ago
    And that's why you're spending so much time arguing that particular thing instead of presenting your own view? It's like crying out loud about being persecuted before anyone actually did anything to you.
ldiracdelta 5y ago
Don't be silenced while you still have the freedom in this forum. Even if tar and feathers come out and 70% of HN'ers hate on you, doesn't mean you're not being heard by some.
- sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
  I PARTICULARLY extremely dislike the mere concept of being humiliated on a basic of association with a particular country or nation (Russia in this case). (Any association with Russia is considered utterly negative on its own). This doesn't smell right.
  - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
    I don't think many people are going to downvote you just because you admit to being Russian. If you start parroting the Russian line, then... yeah, expect people to downvote you.
    - cblconfederate 5y ago
      i disagree. most people here have very superficial views about geopolitics , base their opinions on political party affiliations and are often manipulated. Sophie Zhang's revelations show that
  - ldiracdelta 5y ago
    Sure, but it is unfortunately normal throughout history. Certain groups become demonized and it is fashionable to demonize them. Orwell had "2 minutes hate" in his book "1984". Jews were demonized in the late 1800s leading up through WW 2. It is now fashionable to demonize Russians. It is fashionable lately to demonize white people in USA. Notice the recent rise of the term "Karen" to describe white women behaving badly, but the non-existence of any correlary terms like "Shaniqua", "Maria", "Liu", or "Adita".
FpUser 5y ago
>"Russian paid bot/troll account" label" I assume people who call you that are real bot/trolls most likely paid in Kraft dinners.

koheripbal 5y ago

Agreed. The quality of HN has gone down significantly with its greater popularity. A lot of Reddit refugees bringing their baggage.

martythemaniak 5y ago

"Freedom of Speech" doesn't mean people are supposed to automatically respect or agree with whatever random thing you say. The definition is closer to "Don't kill people like Navalny because they filmed your dacha". A foreign concept in contemporary Russia.

spyckie2 5y ago
Contextually, the person is arguing that being called a russian troll / bot is reducing the quality of discussion and is also shutting up alternative viewpoints. The "freedom of speech" comment is merely a vent, and such generalizations is rarely fact... just like "A foreign concept in contemporary Russia" is a vent and generalization as well.
sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
You are wrong. I'm not saying everybody should automatically like what I say. The issue here is that virtually nobody (here) cares about what you say as long as you can be "labeled", i.e., labeled as a Russian bot/troll account. That's it.
- martythemaniak 5y ago
  Your comment history when I replied was precisely one comment. Nobody knows what you want to say, nor what your views are. Generally, you should just say what you want to say and no worry about being down or upvoted. But if your views are indistinguishable from a paid troll's views, that's no one's problem but yours. Maybe you should even reconsider them? At least those guys get paid for posting their talking points.
  - sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
    You're saying that I should consider changing my views not to be equal to views of accounts who are called "paid trolls" by somebody. Nice approach to self-censorship.
    - wcarron 5y ago
      You completely missed his point.
      - pessimizer 5y ago
        No, his point was ignored and a thing he said was commented on.
        wcarron 5y ago
        Is there a meaningful distinction in this case?
    - darthrupert 5y ago
      Yes, you probably should. It's similar to saying that "just because I agree with what nazis say does not mean I am one!" Sure, technically true, but still something to consider a bit.
      - d0mine 5y ago
        So you equating being Russian with being a nazi. Nice. Propaganda works.
- ymolodtsov 5y ago
  And that's why you're spending so much time arguing that particular thing instead of presenting your own view? It's like crying out loud about being persecuted before anyone actually did anything to you.

ldiracdelta 5y ago

Don't be silenced while you still have the freedom in this forum. Even if tar and feathers come out and 70% of HN'ers hate on you, doesn't mean you're not being heard by some.

sedan_baklazhan 5y ago
I PARTICULARLY extremely dislike the mere concept of being humiliated on a basic of association with a particular country or nation (Russia in this case). (Any association with Russia is considered utterly negative on its own). This doesn't smell right.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  I don't think many people are going to downvote you just because you admit to being Russian. If you start parroting the Russian line, then... yeah, expect people to downvote you.
  - cblconfederate 5y ago
    i disagree. most people here have very superficial views about geopolitics , base their opinions on political party affiliations and are often manipulated. Sophie Zhang's revelations show that
- ldiracdelta 5y ago
  Sure, but it is unfortunately normal throughout history. Certain groups become demonized and it is fashionable to demonize them. Orwell had "2 minutes hate" in his book "1984". Jews were demonized in the late 1800s leading up through WW 2. It is now fashionable to demonize Russians. It is fashionable lately to demonize white people in USA. Notice the recent rise of the term "Karen" to describe white women behaving badly, but the non-existence of any correlary terms like "Shaniqua", "Maria", "Liu", or "Adita".

FpUser 5y ago

>"Russian paid bot/troll account" label" I assume people who call you that are real bot/trolls most likely paid in Kraft dinners.