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In what way? Language? Content? World view?

scns 5y ago
The horror i felt imagining how the people who work in such an environment might feel, if they haven't checked out allready. (Edit) So it isn't actually that dramatic.
- the_only_law 5y ago
  Trying to get out of it at the moment, but it’s seemingly very difficult.
  - scns 5y ago
    You want to, and you will. Keep at it.
- hyperman1 5y ago
  Don't weep too much for our damned souls. It's actually not that bad as it sounds, if only because everyone knows the rules are insane. A lot of the time, some manager goes to the meetings or shuffles the papers for us. We do loose a lot of time and its sometimes tiring, but there is also, if you want, real and interesting work to do, with noticeable real world impact. It also allows me to mix work and children, which is sometimes hard in smaller orgs.
  - scns 5y ago
    Glad to hear that, spending time with your kids is worth so much more IMO, the greatest joy i feel is when i make em laugh.
ebiester 5y ago
Most of us would consider that nightmare scenario to work in. The closer to startup life you are, the less that exists. Smaller organizations die if they have that kind of dysfunction. When everything succeeds, there's no problem. When it fails but is salvageable, it's a giant fingerpointing exercise that makes solving the actual problems twice as long, but ultimately has no consequences for the processes or people. When things truly fail, people are thrown under the bus because they "didn't follow process." Management is unscathed. And each part of the process is logical as to how it was developed. Because once a system is large enough, it develops enough scars that say "we won't fail again in that way." - and all failures are because the process wasn't followed. Then, IT is outsourced because it's too expensive. The outsourced system openly skirts much of the process, but can't get the information necessary to build the right product and is seen as a cost center. Eventually, with enough failures, the trust is degraded and the IT is brought back in house. The cycle repeats. You wrote it very well.

scns 5y ago

The horror i felt imagining how the people who work in such an environment might feel, if they haven't checked out allready. (Edit) So it isn't actually that dramatic.

the_only_law 5y ago
Trying to get out of it at the moment, but it’s seemingly very difficult.
- scns 5y ago
  You want to, and you will. Keep at it.
hyperman1 5y ago
Don't weep too much for our damned souls. It's actually not that bad as it sounds, if only because everyone knows the rules are insane. A lot of the time, some manager goes to the meetings or shuffles the papers for us. We do loose a lot of time and its sometimes tiring, but there is also, if you want, real and interesting work to do, with noticeable real world impact. It also allows me to mix work and children, which is sometimes hard in smaller orgs.
- scns 5y ago
  Glad to hear that, spending time with your kids is worth so much more IMO, the greatest joy i feel is when i make em laugh.

ebiester 5y ago

Most of us would consider that nightmare scenario to work in. The closer to startup life you are, the less that exists. Smaller organizations die if they have that kind of dysfunction. When everything succeeds, there's no problem. When it fails but is salvageable, it's a giant fingerpointing exercise that makes solving the actual problems twice as long, but ultimately has no consequences for the processes or people. When things truly fail, people are thrown under the bus because they "didn't follow process." Management is unscathed. And each part of the process is logical as to how it was developed. Because once a system is large enough, it develops enough scars that say "we won't fail again in that way." - and all failures are because the process wasn't followed. Then, IT is outsourced because it's too expensive. The outsourced system openly skirts much of the process, but can't get the information necessary to build the right product and is seen as a cost center. Eventually, with enough failures, the trust is degraded and the IT is brought back in house. The cycle repeats. You wrote it very well.