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As an expat, I go there where I get treated best. Why wouldn’t I? Do I owe my country of birth anything?

throwawaylinux 5y ago
Are these rhetorical questions? I'm not quite sure how they address my comment. There is a difference between that and the systemic concerted efforts by wealthy countries to poach and take the most valuable, skilled, educated of the human capital from poorer countries who are in positions of weakness and far less bargaining power. I understand that the narrative is that it's about "helping the unfortunates", but really it's not. If a country wanted to help people you wouldn't "help" mainly the ones who can give them something (they are actually helping you), leaving the many more less fortunate ones in an even worse state.
- shell0x 5y ago
  I understand what you mean, but it’s not exclusive to wealthy countries poaching people from developing countries either right. In Germany(already a wealthy country) doctors move to Switzerland for better pay and better working conditions too. It’s also very expensive to move internationally. Visas can cost up to $10,000 alone, so I doubt that so many people actually leave developing countries for developed ones. There are also tons of people who would never move countries because their family and social circle is in that particular place or they want to make their country a better place. I also think many people move back home from overseas to their home country, bringing their improved skillset with them.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    I didn't intend to imply that's the only situation where skilled migration occurs, but that is what I wrote so I should correct myself. When there is a relatively fair and level competition to compete for resources then there's less room for exploitative behavior of course. That applies not just to labor but really anywhere. I think you're rationalizing or painting yourself a reality that you wish was true. Brain drain from disadvantaged countries on an industrial scale is a serious problem. Not for the wealthy privileged countries who benefit of course, which is why nobody says much about it and those who do get attacked.
kwere 5y ago
for a collectivist mentality you owe everithing to the community thats own you

Are these rhetorical questions? I'm not quite sure how they address my comment. There is a difference between that and the systemic concerted efforts by wealthy countries to poach and take the most valuable, skilled, educated of the human capital from poorer countries who are in positions of weakness and far less bargaining power. I understand that the narrative is that it's about "helping the unfortunates", but really it's not. If a country wanted to help people you wouldn't "help" mainly the ones who can give them something (they are actually helping you), leaving the many more less fortunate ones in an even worse state.

shell0x 5y ago
I understand what you mean, but it’s not exclusive to wealthy countries poaching people from developing countries either right. In Germany(already a wealthy country) doctors move to Switzerland for better pay and better working conditions too. It’s also very expensive to move internationally. Visas can cost up to $10,000 alone, so I doubt that so many people actually leave developing countries for developed ones. There are also tons of people who would never move countries because their family and social circle is in that particular place or they want to make their country a better place. I also think many people move back home from overseas to their home country, bringing their improved skillset with them.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  I didn't intend to imply that's the only situation where skilled migration occurs, but that is what I wrote so I should correct myself. When there is a relatively fair and level competition to compete for resources then there's less room for exploitative behavior of course. That applies not just to labor but really anywhere. I think you're rationalizing or painting yourself a reality that you wish was true. Brain drain from disadvantaged countries on an industrial scale is a serious problem. Not for the wealthy privileged countries who benefit of course, which is why nobody says much about it and those who do get attacked.

kwere 5y ago

for a collectivist mentality you owe everithing to the community thats own you