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> No, that means first do your own, and then start bitching about others, because other way I do not see how are we better then those criminals in article. The

by avmich 5y ago

> No, that means first do your own, and then start bitching about others, because other way I do not see how are we better then those criminals in article. There's the proverb "sees a speck in another's eye, but does not notice a log in his own eye". No major country is innocent, yet dismissing them all as equally bad is wrong and unacceptable; they do allow comparison, and Western countries come much better for their record of wars over last decades than some others. First doing their own is like asking to postpone space exploration until all problems on Earth will be solved. Not to mention that space exploration helps solving Earth problems; postponing flying to space can thus be indefinite, as on Earth you can almost always find problems. Western hemisphere only recently had a situation with no wars; you can then always point to smaller conflicts. West has to improve, yes; however that doesn't mean we shouldn't hold some non-Western countries as more accountable for bigger international problems.

h0h0h0h0111 5y ago
>Western countries come much better for their record of wars over last decades than some others Are you forgetting about jetting across the world to Iraq and Afghanistan on dubious pretences? While I certainly don't condone (nor frankly know much about) Russia's involvement in Ukraine and Crimea, at least they share borders and have a large number of ethnic Russians there to be fighting over.
- avmich 5y ago
  No, I don't forget about West problems. Number of Russians in neighboring Ukraine is a pretense. The real reason is so called "imperial phantom's pains", the worldview of the Russian power about how everything works, the Cold War era division into "them" and "us". They don't believe in the democracy, they never experienced that and were trained to be suspicious about it. For just about everybody - Russians on both sides of the border as well as Ukrainians - the conflict made things worse, and for a long time. Kremlin lives in a bad illusion, which it tries to induce into others.
NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago
It is Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." I feel that each human nation as soon as they becomes a supper power they adopt behavior of a bully having bullies sense of justice e.g. "domination, violence and exploit". Comparing a good technological achievement with moral and ethical values is not good analogy, but I understand what was your attempt. Speaking about the open space, i think that bully mindset is not really a behavior we want to carry with us. Do we really think that if other intelligent life (if it exist of course and is more intelligent) will let us? Another issue is that space gives a military upper hand, meaning who ever deploys Moon base or Mars base will have ability to produce nukes or commence meteor strike on opponent country without much chance to defend themselves. So, in some sense something noble can be easily tuned to eval means. If China builds a moon base on the far side, we need to pair with moon base and spying satellites so we can track what are they doing, crating new military race, all the while mother planet is burning because of Global Warming as trillions are diverted - due to inability of nations to cooperate with each other. Thus, I am trying to say, more technological power requires higher level of consciousness (goodness), otherwise we are just raging monkeys that will blow them selves up in one way or another.
- avmich 5y ago
  > more technological power requires higher level of consciousness (goodness) IMO, problem here is you don't see it actually happening. Similarly Kremlin sees behavior of West with e.g. Kosovo as the same as what they did in Crimea. While West brings comparisons and differences, they are dismissed by the other side. A sort of stalemate in finding common ground, but in Russia the Kremlin's point of view is quite often shared by some selected few.

by avmich 5y ago

h0h0h0h0111 5y ago

>Western countries come much better for their record of wars over last decades than some others Are you forgetting about jetting across the world to Iraq and Afghanistan on dubious pretences? While I certainly don't condone (nor frankly know much about) Russia's involvement in Ukraine and Crimea, at least they share borders and have a large number of ethnic Russians there to be fighting over.

avmich 5y ago
No, I don't forget about West problems. Number of Russians in neighboring Ukraine is a pretense. The real reason is so called "imperial phantom's pains", the worldview of the Russian power about how everything works, the Cold War era division into "them" and "us". They don't believe in the democracy, they never experienced that and were trained to be suspicious about it. For just about everybody - Russians on both sides of the border as well as Ukrainians - the conflict made things worse, and for a long time. Kremlin lives in a bad illusion, which it tries to induce into others.

NiceWayToDoIT 5y ago

It is Matthew 7:5 "Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye." I feel that each human nation as soon as they becomes a supper power they adopt behavior of a bully having bullies sense of justice e.g. "domination, violence and exploit". Comparing a good technological achievement with moral and ethical values is not good analogy, but I understand what was your attempt. Speaking about the open space, i think that bully mindset is not really a behavior we want to carry with us. Do we really think that if other intelligent life (if it exist of course and is more intelligent) will let us? Another issue is that space gives a military upper hand, meaning who ever deploys Moon base or Mars base will have ability to produce nukes or commence meteor strike on opponent country without much chance to defend themselves. So, in some sense something noble can be easily tuned to eval means. If China builds a moon base on the far side, we need to pair with moon base and spying satellites so we can track what are they doing, crating new military race, all the while mother planet is burning because of Global Warming as trillions are diverted - due to inability of nations to cooperate with each other. Thus, I am trying to say, more technological power requires higher level of consciousness (goodness), otherwise we are just raging monkeys that will blow them selves up in one way or another.

avmich 5y ago
> more technological power requires higher level of consciousness (goodness) IMO, problem here is you don't see it actually happening. Similarly Kremlin sees behavior of West with e.g. Kosovo as the same as what they did in Crimea. While West brings comparisons and differences, they are dismissed by the other side. A sort of stalemate in finding common ground, but in Russia the Kremlin's point of view is quite often shared by some selected few.