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Manuel moderation is not the solution. The issue is FB (insta) is the one moderating. Give moderation powers to the users, create a market for moderation. Some

Manuel moderation is not the solution. The issue is FB (insta) is the one moderating. Give moderation powers to the users, create a market for moderation. Some people will want whitelists, others AI screening models, others “manual moderation”. Let users decide what they want.

namlem 5y ago
YouTube tried that and people found ways to abuse it immediately. Organized groups started going around getting chennels they don't like banned on false pretenses.
- thoughtstheseus 5y ago
  YouTube had differentiated moderation for each user based on personal preferences set by the user? I don’t recall that.
  - namlem 5y ago
    No, they tried just one of the methods you listed. Having it be set by user preference is an interesting idea, but whatever the default setting is will be used by the overwhelming majority of users and will be quickly subverted by attackers.
    - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
      Gotcha. I agree any default setting needs to expect attackers. I’d set the default to whitelist content from Insta (so they manually approve it) and verified real people “friends” can white list additional content for you. If you want to open it up more you can and layer in content moderators for hire, AI models to try, dashboards to optimize what you want, etc.
- biomcgary 5y ago
  The GP was probably suggesting letting bubbles of people moderate for those who opt in to the moderation. Thus, a channel would only be banned for people who are in the group. Analogously to real life, one doesn't have the option to choose all of ones neighbors, but you can choose the neighborhood you live in (assuming you have adequate wealth, redlining is illegal, etc). Moderation bubbles would enforce content rules much like an HOA enforces grass cutting, etc. I'm not sure how it would work out, but I'm curious if there are existing examples.
mc32 5y ago
Is it a right to post as many times as one wants or can we consider a throttling mechanism? Obviously throttling means less revenue and that collides with commercial interests. However, given people are over reliant on social media and social media with engagement, moderating this perniciousness might be worth trying out.

namlem 5y ago

YouTube tried that and people found ways to abuse it immediately. Organized groups started going around getting chennels they don't like banned on false pretenses.

thoughtstheseus 5y ago
YouTube had differentiated moderation for each user based on personal preferences set by the user? I don’t recall that.
- namlem 5y ago
  No, they tried just one of the methods you listed. Having it be set by user preference is an interesting idea, but whatever the default setting is will be used by the overwhelming majority of users and will be quickly subverted by attackers.
  - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
    Gotcha. I agree any default setting needs to expect attackers. I’d set the default to whitelist content from Insta (so they manually approve it) and verified real people “friends” can white list additional content for you. If you want to open it up more you can and layer in content moderators for hire, AI models to try, dashboards to optimize what you want, etc.
biomcgary 5y ago
The GP was probably suggesting letting bubbles of people moderate for those who opt in to the moderation. Thus, a channel would only be banned for people who are in the group. Analogously to real life, one doesn't have the option to choose all of ones neighbors, but you can choose the neighborhood you live in (assuming you have adequate wealth, redlining is illegal, etc). Moderation bubbles would enforce content rules much like an HOA enforces grass cutting, etc. I'm not sure how it would work out, but I'm curious if there are existing examples.

mc32 5y ago

Is it a right to post as many times as one wants or can we consider a throttling mechanism? Obviously throttling means less revenue and that collides with commercial interests. However, given people are over reliant on social media and social media with engagement, moderating this perniciousness might be worth trying out.