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>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts

>Florida and Texas registered lower deaths per 100,000 than states with stringent, long-term restrictions like New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts This often-touted talking point makes little actual sense. The tri-state area (NY,NJ,CT) was the first outbreak in the US. We didn’t yet know how to treat Covid properly, and had zero therapeutics, so naturally deaths were higher than in states who experienced much later outbreaks.

swiley 5y ago
My impression was that Washington (the state) was the first outbreak and they immediately took action in early march. NY was heavy handed but they also played a ton of games with it, that's why the authoritarian approach to most things fails.
- valbaca 5y ago
  That is accurate and that they chose to ignore how successful Washington state's mandates have been is very cherry-picking
necovek 5y ago
And Florida and Texas coincidentally have a much larger share of warm days in which people are more likely to socialise outdoors anyway (where it's proven that transmission is far less likely). Not sure it matters, but also not sure it doesn't, so my point is that looking at a single factor is very much dishonest.
tzs 5y ago
Here's a graph of cumulative COVID deaths per 100k for the top 10 states (with New York highlighted), Texas, Florida, and Washington [1] that illustrates that. New York is high today (#2) because they got a large number of deaths in the first 100 days. After 100 days of COVID it was (all numbers are per 100k): 164 New York 17 Washington 16 Florida 8 Texas Where it stands now is: 276 New York 186 Texas 185 Florida 81 Washington That's a growth over the last 400 days of: 112 New York 178 Texas 168 Florida 73 Washington New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts curves are similar to New York's. [1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&highlight=New%20York&show=10&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Florida%2CTexas%2CWashington#states-normalized http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...

swiley 5y ago

My impression was that Washington (the state) was the first outbreak and they immediately took action in early march. NY was heavy handed but they also played a ton of games with it, that's why the authoritarian approach to most things fails.

valbaca 5y ago
That is accurate and that they chose to ignore how successful Washington state's mandates have been is very cherry-picking

necovek 5y ago

And Florida and Texas coincidentally have a much larger share of warm days in which people are more likely to socialise outdoors anyway (where it's proven that transmission is far less likely). Not sure it matters, but also not sure it doesn't, so my point is that looking at a single factor is very much dishonest.

tzs 5y ago

Here's a graph of cumulative COVID deaths per 100k for the top 10 states (with New York highlighted), Texas, Florida, and Washington [1] that illustrates that. New York is high today (#2) because they got a large number of deaths in the first 100 days. After 100 days of COVID it was (all numbers are per 100k): 164 New York 17 Washington 16 Florida 8 Texas Where it stands now is: 276 New York 186 Texas 185 Florida 81 Washington That's a growth over the last 400 days of: 112 New York 178 Texas 168 Florida 73 Washington New Jersey, Connecticut, and Massachusetts curves are similar to New York's. [1] http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-normalized&highlight=New%20York&show=10&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right&extra=Florida%2CTexas%2CWashington#states-normalized http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=states-...