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'So you have sun, good food, plenty of money and little immigration.' Australia has one of the highest rates of inbound immigration in the world. Number 2 in t

'So you have sun, good food, plenty of money and little immigration.' Australia has one of the highest rates of inbound immigration in the world. Number 2 in the OECD actually, right after Luxembourg. And I, like the overwhelming majority of Australians, consider high immigration intakes to be a good thing. Check your sources. [1] https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migration-australia/latest-release#:~:text=29.8%25%20of%20Australia's%20population%20were,due%20to%20net%20overseas%20migration https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/people/population/migratio... [2] https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm https://data.oecd.org/migration/foreign-born-population.htm [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133441/australia-attitudes-towards-immigration/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1133441/australia-attitu...

BiteCode_dev 5y ago
Australian have temporary immigration, becomming permanent is actually quite hard compared to europe where you can basically just walk in there. Also, I consider it a chance to be able to go to school as well, it doesn't mean exams are easy. Immigration is the same. It gives, and it takes. Because australia is an island with a pretty good legal filter for immigrants, they get less social tensions. Also because they have plenty of space and money, right now they can welcome immigrants way more easily. And finally because immigration from asia is a good part of the immigration source, which also makes things easier culturally. The situations is different in every part of the world. Immigration is not a single variable universal phenomenom. Today if you talk about the challenge that diversity can bring, you are labelled with pretty harshed words. But nothing is free. Source: I've been an immigrant a lot.
- partomniscient 5y ago
  Based on what I've heard/read a lot of us would fail our own immigration test on Australian knowledge. I grew up here in our system and was only vaguely aware there was even a second verse in our national anthem. The people trying to become citizens here and have only been here for a short time knew _all_ the words.
  - BiteCode_dev 5y ago
    I'm planning on using the c word a lot at the exam to sound more native
throwawaylinux 5y ago
Skilled immigration is neocolonialism. I truly can't believe how many (supposedly enlightened) people I've had try to tell me with a straight face how wonderful it is to have all these doctors/engineers/etc coming to their country, and how great it is for their economy and healthcare system etc. Like, you don't think all the people in India or The Philippines or Chad need doctors or economic advancement?? It's just incredibly greedy and selfish. Can you imagine what a person who has just lost their child due to a preventable illness from being unable to see a doctor think when they hear some privileged person from an unimaginably wealthy country that already has an order of magnitude more doctors per capita and whose children will never see the suffering theirs routinely do -- boasting how wonderful it is that they are harvesting all the best healthcare workers from their country. Makes you shudder to think about it really. These same people will bemoan a corporation from their country going to another one to conduct a resource extraction business (exploitation!) and yet when it comes to their own interests, they are quite happy to take and exploit a less well off country's most valuable resource which is its human capital.
- xyzzy123 5y ago
  Is it neocolonialism, or is it more like letting people vote with their feet? In a perfect world, we'd all be able to choose where we live. Most of the people I talk to in Australia are more concerned about all the people that DON'T get let in. Another lens is that countries are in the business of providing defence, governance, economic opportunity and lifestyle services. Immigrants are customers.
  - throwawaylinux 5y ago
    Yes, yes it is neocolonialism. And it's easy to justify by saying "in a perfect world", but we don't live in a perfect world do we so that logic is just completely flawed. "In a perfect world we would do X" does not mean that doing X in the imperfect world we live in results in a better world. It is neocolonialism because it is extracting the most valuable and profitable resources of less well off countries for your own benefit. Sure they can't compete with the massive incentives offered by the uber wealthy countries. Probably because those wealthy countries have been exploiting their resources including human capital in the past which keeps them poor and dependent. But they should be thankful that their children get to sew shoes for us for a few cents a day.
NonContro 5y ago
"Do you think Australia needs more people? Graduates: 58% yes Non-Graduates: 24% yes" https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/10/72-of-aussies-do-not-want-a-bigger-population/ https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/10/72-of-aussies-do-no... Not overwhelming. Also there are some people who are happy with immigration, but only from other culturally-compatible regions, and as long as diversity (eg. max 10% from any one country) and equality (eg. max 49% males from any one country) is part of the intake.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago

Australian have temporary immigration, becomming permanent is actually quite hard compared to europe where you can basically just walk in there. Also, I consider it a chance to be able to go to school as well, it doesn't mean exams are easy. Immigration is the same. It gives, and it takes. Because australia is an island with a pretty good legal filter for immigrants, they get less social tensions. Also because they have plenty of space and money, right now they can welcome immigrants way more easily. And finally because immigration from asia is a good part of the immigration source, which also makes things easier culturally. The situations is different in every part of the world. Immigration is not a single variable universal phenomenom. Today if you talk about the challenge that diversity can bring, you are labelled with pretty harshed words. But nothing is free. Source: I've been an immigrant a lot.

partomniscient 5y ago
Based on what I've heard/read a lot of us would fail our own immigration test on Australian knowledge. I grew up here in our system and was only vaguely aware there was even a second verse in our national anthem. The people trying to become citizens here and have only been here for a short time knew _all_ the words.
- BiteCode_dev 5y ago
  I'm planning on using the c word a lot at the exam to sound more native

throwawaylinux 5y ago

Skilled immigration is neocolonialism. I truly can't believe how many (supposedly enlightened) people I've had try to tell me with a straight face how wonderful it is to have all these doctors/engineers/etc coming to their country, and how great it is for their economy and healthcare system etc. Like, you don't think all the people in India or The Philippines or Chad need doctors or economic advancement?? It's just incredibly greedy and selfish. Can you imagine what a person who has just lost their child due to a preventable illness from being unable to see a doctor think when they hear some privileged person from an unimaginably wealthy country that already has an order of magnitude more doctors per capita and whose children will never see the suffering theirs routinely do -- boasting how wonderful it is that they are harvesting all the best healthcare workers from their country. Makes you shudder to think about it really. These same people will bemoan a corporation from their country going to another one to conduct a resource extraction business (exploitation!) and yet when it comes to their own interests, they are quite happy to take and exploit a less well off country's most valuable resource which is its human capital.

xyzzy123 5y ago
Is it neocolonialism, or is it more like letting people vote with their feet? In a perfect world, we'd all be able to choose where we live. Most of the people I talk to in Australia are more concerned about all the people that DON'T get let in. Another lens is that countries are in the business of providing defence, governance, economic opportunity and lifestyle services. Immigrants are customers.
- throwawaylinux 5y ago
  Yes, yes it is neocolonialism. And it's easy to justify by saying "in a perfect world", but we don't live in a perfect world do we so that logic is just completely flawed. "In a perfect world we would do X" does not mean that doing X in the imperfect world we live in results in a better world. It is neocolonialism because it is extracting the most valuable and profitable resources of less well off countries for your own benefit. Sure they can't compete with the massive incentives offered by the uber wealthy countries. Probably because those wealthy countries have been exploiting their resources including human capital in the past which keeps them poor and dependent. But they should be thankful that their children get to sew shoes for us for a few cents a day.

NonContro 5y ago

"Do you think Australia needs more people? Graduates: 58% yes Non-Graduates: 24% yes" https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/10/72-of-aussies-do-not-want-a-bigger-population/ https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2020/10/72-of-aussies-do-no... Not overwhelming. Also there are some people who are happy with immigration, but only from other culturally-compatible regions, and as long as diversity (eg. max 10% from any one country) and equality (eg. max 49% males from any one country) is part of the intake.