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These vaccination records are there already anyway, in Europe most countries have a national health system that knows exactly who has it and who doesn't. But i

These vaccination records are there already anyway, in Europe most countries have a national health system that knows exactly who has it and who doesn't. But it's not as bad as a detailed step by step log of every person's activities every day. Also, I think some level of noncompliance should be accepted. The vaccines don't work 100% anyway, these are just a few more percent. The number of people opposed to vaccination in Europe is very low compared to the US. The vaccination rate will be more than high enough for decent protection. We're never going to reduce the risk of covid to zero for an individual. Just like we're never going to reduce the risk of dying from cancer to zero. Some risk just has to be accepted as a fact of life.

jjgreen 5y ago
These vaccination records are there already anyway They are, in the UK attached to you NHS number for example. But the question is, how you you force the non-compliant to comply? Form the set-difference of the NHS and national DBs, hunt down and inject the non-compliant? Sounds a bit police-statey to me. Or make daily life dependent on showing your NHS number? Easy to fake, so we'd need NHS photo id-cards to get a coffee, ... sounds a bit police-statey to me ... etc
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  > Or make daily life dependent on showing your NHS number? Easy to fake, so we'd need NHS photo id-cards to get a coffee, ... sounds a bit police-statey to me ... etc Exactly, yet this is exactly what Germany, France and Italy are doing right now. You need the QR code which contains your name / DOB + Photo ID
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  - avh02 5y ago
    Officially, they don't need your PII to validate your certificate: "The personal data of the certificate holder does not pass through the gateway, as this is not necessary to verify the digital signature" [1] That said, I've not actually looked in to how these work... In Berlin at least, it's rare to get an ID check at a restaurant, usually someone just glances at your phone. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re... edit: further: "The CovPassCheck app processes the QR code only in the working memory of the smartphone and does not store any data." [2] [2] https://digitaler-impfnachweis-app.apps.public.bfarm.de/en/covpasscheck-app https://digitaler-impfnachweis-app.apps.public.bfarm.de/en/c...

jjgreen 5y ago

These vaccination records are there already anyway They are, in the UK attached to you NHS number for example. But the question is, how you you force the non-compliant to comply? Form the set-difference of the NHS and national DBs, hunt down and inject the non-compliant? Sounds a bit police-statey to me. Or make daily life dependent on showing your NHS number? Easy to fake, so we'd need NHS photo id-cards to get a coffee, ... sounds a bit police-statey to me ... etc

GekkePrutser 5y ago
> Or make daily life dependent on showing your NHS number? Easy to fake, so we'd need NHS photo id-cards to get a coffee, ... sounds a bit police-statey to me ... etc Exactly, yet this is exactly what Germany, France and Italy are doing right now. You need the QR code which contains your name / DOB + Photo ID
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- avh02 5y ago
  Officially, they don't need your PII to validate your certificate: "The personal data of the certificate holder does not pass through the gateway, as this is not necessary to verify the digital signature" [1] That said, I've not actually looked in to how these work... In Berlin at least, it's rare to get an ID check at a restaurant, usually someone just glances at your phone. [1] https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-re... edit: further: "The CovPassCheck app processes the QR code only in the working memory of the smartphone and does not store any data." [2] [2] https://digitaler-impfnachweis-app.apps.public.bfarm.de/en/covpasscheck-app https://digitaler-impfnachweis-app.apps.public.bfarm.de/en/c...