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Persistent messages seem like the obvious better default. 99.9% of my conversations have no obscene secrets, but a solid 1% have information that might be searc

Persistent messages seem like the obvious better default. 99.9% of my conversations have no obscene secrets, but a solid 1% have information that might be search-worthy. Hangouts / gChat seemed to get this right - extremely fast search and an "off the record" function for when you can't switch to an ephemeral alternative (usually a phone call). I know HN has a higher proportion of the reasonably-paranoid EFF-loving population, and I appreciate their push for options like Signal, but do you folks really prefer acknowledging that a secret number has changed every time someone screws up new device setup? I don't know how many times I've been saved by searchable chat in gMail or got a key piece of info from my Location History, or answered someone's question by scrolling back through https://myactivity.google.com/ https://myactivity.google.com/ - am I the exception? And, hypothetically, if we were scheming terrorists or dissidents in a totalitarian state, who here would trust their conversations to _any_ mainstream communication tool, no matter its privacy reputation?

Symbiote 5y ago
Persistent messenges always were, and remain, the default.
stavros 5y ago
It's not about obscene secrets, I was just a different person at 18 than I am at 40. Having what I said back then persist forever serves no purpose. Same for things I said months ago, what's the use?
- Y-bar 5y ago
  > Same for things I said months ago, what's the use? Messages in my phone are now the only remaining words from someone I once knew. I now and then scroll through them like they were an old shoe-box of letters. I don't know (and will never be able to ask) what emotional connection they had of their own messages. I only know that I am glad to still have those...
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  I mean... you can get cancelled now, when someone disagrees with you here, and starts going through all your old posts/messages/tweets, and finds something that was perfectly OK back then, but now the PC culture deems a cancellable-offence. So yeah, I agree... having things disappear after a reasonable amount of time is a great feature. Sadly, most networks (eg. twitter, facebook,...) don't have this.
  - stavros 5y ago
    > Sadly, most networks (eg. twitter, facebook,...) don't have this. That's why I use a utility called Shreddit and some custom scripts to delete all my reddit/Twitter/whatever posts except the latest N.
    - randomuser87178 5y ago
      Just an FYI, Shreddit is not particularly effective for deleting old Reddit post and commenting history. There is at least one service (Pushshift [1]) which sits at Reddit's API endpoint and hoovers up every single comment and post as they are made in near-real time. These are then archived in the Pushshift database, which is accessible by unauthenticated public API as well as through monthly post and comment JSON dumps. There are several third-party search engines which use the Pushshift API underneath, most prominently Camas Reddit Search [2]. Ironically, it is way faster and more thorough than Reddit's actual search feature. You can do a full-text search of a specific user's history and filter by subreddit, score, and post date in a couple of seconds. Since Pushshift contains comments and posts in the state they were made when they were originally posted, editing or deleting them from Reddit proper, or deleting your Reddit account, does nothing to prevent them from being searchable in Pushshift. Pushshift does support opt-outs, but they have historically been slow to process them. Apparently a new opt-out system will be in place as of this weekend [3]. That said, Pushshift isn't the only Reddit archiving game in town, just the most visible, so even if you opt-out of Pushshift your post history is still probably in somebody else's archive. Also, I'm pretty sure the opt-out just removes your posts from the public API, I think the historical dumps still have your data in them if somebody were motivated enough to download all 80+ TB of them. Your best bet for preserving privacy on Reddit is to (1) never post identifying details, (2) change accounts periodically, and (3) keep a few alts for commenting on different subreddits, especially if posting on subreddits that somebody can infer identifying details from (eg: the subreddit for your city). [1] https://pushshift.io/ https://pushshift.io/ [2] https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/ https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/ [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/p2fm0n/deletion_requests/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/p2fm0n/deletion_...
- tharne 5y ago
  > It's not about obscene secrets, I was just a different person at 18 than I am at 40. I don't know why so few people consider this point. People change, social norms change, so it's very easy for an older conversation to be used in such a way as to make someone look horrible, even if they were not, and are not, a horrible person.
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Symbiote 5y ago

Persistent messenges always were, and remain, the default.

stavros 5y ago

It's not about obscene secrets, I was just a different person at 18 than I am at 40. Having what I said back then persist forever serves no purpose. Same for things I said months ago, what's the use?

Y-bar 5y ago
> Same for things I said months ago, what's the use? Messages in my phone are now the only remaining words from someone I once knew. I now and then scroll through them like they were an old shoe-box of letters. I don't know (and will never be able to ask) what emotional connection they had of their own messages. I only know that I am glad to still have those...
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
I mean... you can get cancelled now, when someone disagrees with you here, and starts going through all your old posts/messages/tweets, and finds something that was perfectly OK back then, but now the PC culture deems a cancellable-offence. So yeah, I agree... having things disappear after a reasonable amount of time is a great feature. Sadly, most networks (eg. twitter, facebook,...) don't have this.
- stavros 5y ago
  > Sadly, most networks (eg. twitter, facebook,...) don't have this. That's why I use a utility called Shreddit and some custom scripts to delete all my reddit/Twitter/whatever posts except the latest N.
  - randomuser87178 5y ago
    Just an FYI, Shreddit is not particularly effective for deleting old Reddit post and commenting history. There is at least one service (Pushshift [1]) which sits at Reddit's API endpoint and hoovers up every single comment and post as they are made in near-real time. These are then archived in the Pushshift database, which is accessible by unauthenticated public API as well as through monthly post and comment JSON dumps. There are several third-party search engines which use the Pushshift API underneath, most prominently Camas Reddit Search [2]. Ironically, it is way faster and more thorough than Reddit's actual search feature. You can do a full-text search of a specific user's history and filter by subreddit, score, and post date in a couple of seconds. Since Pushshift contains comments and posts in the state they were made when they were originally posted, editing or deleting them from Reddit proper, or deleting your Reddit account, does nothing to prevent them from being searchable in Pushshift. Pushshift does support opt-outs, but they have historically been slow to process them. Apparently a new opt-out system will be in place as of this weekend [3]. That said, Pushshift isn't the only Reddit archiving game in town, just the most visible, so even if you opt-out of Pushshift your post history is still probably in somebody else's archive. Also, I'm pretty sure the opt-out just removes your posts from the public API, I think the historical dumps still have your data in them if somebody were motivated enough to download all 80+ TB of them. Your best bet for preserving privacy on Reddit is to (1) never post identifying details, (2) change accounts periodically, and (3) keep a few alts for commenting on different subreddits, especially if posting on subreddits that somebody can infer identifying details from (eg: the subreddit for your city). [1] https://pushshift.io/ https://pushshift.io/ [2] https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/ https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/ [3] https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/p2fm0n/deletion_requests/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pushshift/comments/p2fm0n/deletion_...
tharne 5y ago
> It's not about obscene secrets, I was just a different person at 18 than I am at 40. I don't know why so few people consider this point. People change, social norms change, so it's very easy for an older conversation to be used in such a way as to make someone look horrible, even if they were not, and are not, a horrible person.

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