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DevOps Engineer is absolutely a title nowadays. Refusing it because you personally don’t agree with it doesn’t change anything; it’s what searched by both candi

by klohto 5y ago

DevOps Engineer is absolutely a title nowadays. Refusing it because you personally don’t agree with it doesn’t change anything; it’s what searched by both candidates as well as companies. EDIT: Great explanation from one of the commenters https://link.medium.com/tC5p4nfYCib https://link.medium.com/tC5p4nfYCib

dilyevsky 5y ago
Lol that is a ridiculous explanation. Most companies’ idea of “developer operations” is “someone needs to babysit that dinky old jenkins”, those that are serious about it certainly don’t call it devops in their job reqs
- klohto 5y ago
  Again, you’re gatekeeping because of your personal believe. Check how the market looks like outside of your bubble. Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure (yes, be it just Jenkins or whole AWS) you will search for DevOps Engineer. There is no serious tier.
  - dilyevsky 5y ago
    > Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure If you needed dedicated people so dev teams can just throw it over the fence to them that already existed and was just called sysadmins/ops. No need to invent a new term for that. More like some companies didn’t get the memo that devops != sysadmin, not even a title at all. > There is no serious tier. Well who’s in a bubble really?
- Hnrobert42 5y ago
  I understand what you are saying. I have read blog posts that argue DevOps may be someone’s responsibilities, but it is not a title. I’ve read others that say DevOps is a method to managing code delivery, but not a title. I’ve read job descriptions and CVs that list DevOps as a title. My conclusion is DevOps is a newly made up word. The technology community is still trying to agree on a definition. Like all words, that definition will change over time. I think it is okay to have your favorite definition, but I would be careful inferring too much about someone’s “seriousness” or competence based on their choice of favorite definition.
  - dilyevsky 5y ago
    All words are made up. What really ticks me off is the term got blatantly hijacked by unwitting orgs to mean almost polar opposite of what the original intended (same seems to have happened to Agile). So now competent orgs have to jump through the hoops to market related roles effectively

by klohto 5y ago

dilyevsky 5y ago

Lol that is a ridiculous explanation. Most companies’ idea of “developer operations” is “someone needs to babysit that dinky old jenkins”, those that are serious about it certainly don’t call it devops in their job reqs

klohto 5y ago
Again, you’re gatekeeping because of your personal believe. Check how the market looks like outside of your bubble. Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure (yes, be it just Jenkins or whole AWS) you will search for DevOps Engineer. There is no serious tier.
- dilyevsky 5y ago
  > Industry has moved on and if you need somebody to manage direction of your infrastructure If you needed dedicated people so dev teams can just throw it over the fence to them that already existed and was just called sysadmins/ops. No need to invent a new term for that. More like some companies didn’t get the memo that devops != sysadmin, not even a title at all. > There is no serious tier. Well who’s in a bubble really?
Hnrobert42 5y ago
I understand what you are saying. I have read blog posts that argue DevOps may be someone’s responsibilities, but it is not a title. I’ve read others that say DevOps is a method to managing code delivery, but not a title. I’ve read job descriptions and CVs that list DevOps as a title. My conclusion is DevOps is a newly made up word. The technology community is still trying to agree on a definition. Like all words, that definition will change over time. I think it is okay to have your favorite definition, but I would be careful inferring too much about someone’s “seriousness” or competence based on their choice of favorite definition.
- dilyevsky 5y ago
  All words are made up. What really ticks me off is the term got blatantly hijacked by unwitting orgs to mean almost polar opposite of what the original intended (same seems to have happened to Agile). So now competent orgs have to jump through the hoops to market related roles effectively