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The lockdowns, and media promoted fear and hysteria are the pandemic, not the virus.

• dTal 5y ago
  Very poetic, but there is also an actual viral pandemic that has actually killed somewhere just short of 10 million people, so... there's that.
  • velcii 5y ago
    > just short of 10 million people Sort of happens when you categories heart attacks and a lot of other mortality causes, as COVID deaths.
    • dTal 5y ago
      No, that figure is independent of (and approximately double) the officially recorded count. It's calculated by how many more people have died than usual. The official count is an underestimate.
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      • velcii 5y ago
        Some convincing citations would be nice, if you can provide them..
        • vibrato2 5y ago
          His number is based on a naive death count year over year. When the death rate is normalized for population age distribution his "excess" shrinks to near 0.
          • a0-prw 5y ago
            Yes, thank you :)
          • dTal 5y ago
            Could you expand on what you mean by "normalized for population age distribution"? Setting aside the fact that the study I'm citing is far from naive, I'm not sure how you can math away the simple fact that an extraordinary number of people have died over the past year, well in excess of prior years. The graph on this page, for example, is quite stark (US only): https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm
            • vibrato2 5y ago
              Simply put, there's an extraordinary number of people becoming old at this exact time. The baby boomers. Any "excess" death calculation which doesn't account for this natural spike in death is not comprehensive whatsoever. It's a naive calculation because it doesn't include projections we can accurately make from understanding the current state of the population. It treats the population characteristics as a black box and only uses an extrapolation of past death events as a projection. We can also accurately predict death from birth.
              • dTal 5y ago
                You can't be serious. You're saying that the abrupt, almost overnight spike of all-cause mortality by 40% (!!) in April 2020 in the USA was... old age? Did you look at the CDC graph? Do you see the very obvious wave of extra mortality, and how far it deviates from previous years? Do you see how the excess death comes in several huge waves, waves that perfectly line up with Covid-19 waves? Hell of a coincidence, don't you think? I'd love to see this demographic analysis you cite. It must be a very sophisticated model, to perfectly predict a regular annual pattern (deviation <1%) for the past several years, abruptly followed by the wild 50% swings and chaos of the pandemic period, so accurately that you can confidently say that no one's died of Covid.
        • dTal 5y ago
          Certainly. Here's the most comprehensive global analysis I could find: http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess-mortality-due-covid-19-and-scalars-reported-covid-19-deaths http://www.healthdata.org/special-analysis/estimation-excess... The discrepancy is of course smaller in more developed countries with better testing.
      • xyzzy21 5y ago
        No it's not: provide proof and citations or STFU.