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You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do.

romwell 5y ago
I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. If you like doom prophecies so much, I have one for you! Looks like the effects of climate change will take us all out before TikTok goes down the drain, so enjoy it while it (and the humanity) lasts.
- rualca 5y ago
  > I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. Sorry but that assertion makes no sense at all. Caring about the future does not mean naive wishful thinking. Caring about the future means analysing the likely outcomes and act so that the best ones are the most likely outcomes and the worst ones are least likely. TikTok has a very clear and obvious attack surface. This attack surface has been known to be exploited in a certain way. Intentionally turning a blind eye to the clear and real threat it poses is the exact opposite of caring about the future because you are thus actively engaged in enabling the worst possible outcome to become a reality. You do not make problems go away by pretending they don't exist.
  - jstummbillig 5y ago
    However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.
    - MrDresden 5y ago
      Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?
      - romwell 5y ago
        We can, but what value is there in making that statement? Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future?
        MrDresden 5y ago
        Under that same logic nothing that could potentially ever go badly should ever be discussed as it can always happen and thus there is no value in discussing it? Not all of us think along the same lines. Some might like to believe that things are perfectly fine and there is no harm in participating. Some might realize the potential for harm, but simply not care about the outcome. Others have a different opinion, one of caution and not participating in case things do go bad. It has nothing to do with feelings of 'smug satisfaction'. I do truly hope that you aren't surrounded by people for whom it would for these kinds of discussions.
        romwell 5y ago
        A discussion about how TikTok can go bad, and what we can do about it would be valuable. And for that discussion, we'd need to understand what makes TikTok so good that it's taken the #1 spot. Saying "TikTok bad, don't use it" is the opposite of having a discussion.
        rualca 5y ago
        > Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. > What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future? Why, take action to ensure things won't go bad? Is that concept hard to understand? That preparation is the key? I mean, why do people waste their time going out of their way to go to a crosswalk and wait for the light to go green to cross a street? They can simply jaywalk their way through life without bothering with hypothetical traffic accidents. But what value is there in doing that? People can get run over and often do get run over. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that people should cross the street in crosswalks other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future when a jaywalking fool gets ran over but they don't as a result of thinking things through and avoiding obvious problems?
romwell 5y ago
>You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do. See, at no point did I ever make claim about what other people here are, or claim to know how they feel or think. But the implication just made regarding me and caring about the future is the kind of unprovoked hostility that I feel safe from on TikTok, but not here. Whether I care about future, or cats, or fancy tea is not up for discussion.
- random314 5y ago
  Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread. Your shrieking, outright nasty responses and sense of entitlement don't automatically make you a victim. Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement. > If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" > I didn't come here for fortune-telling.
  - romwell 5y ago
    >Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread >And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement I can't love this enough. Thank you. >Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. I didn't know it could get better, but it did!
    - random314 5y ago
      Your response did not have enough italics, I couldn't interpret it.
      - romwell 5y ago
        Yes! Thank you for this input :)

I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. If you like doom prophecies so much, I have one for you! Looks like the effects of climate change will take us all out before TikTok goes down the drain, so enjoy it while it (and the humanity) lasts.

rualca 5y ago
> I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. Sorry but that assertion makes no sense at all. Caring about the future does not mean naive wishful thinking. Caring about the future means analysing the likely outcomes and act so that the best ones are the most likely outcomes and the worst ones are least likely. TikTok has a very clear and obvious attack surface. This attack surface has been known to be exploited in a certain way. Intentionally turning a blind eye to the clear and real threat it poses is the exact opposite of caring about the future because you are thus actively engaged in enabling the worst possible outcome to become a reality. You do not make problems go away by pretending they don't exist.
- jstummbillig 5y ago
  However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.
  - MrDresden 5y ago
    Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?
    - romwell 5y ago
      We can, but what value is there in making that statement? Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future?
      - MrDresden 5y ago
        Under that same logic nothing that could potentially ever go badly should ever be discussed as it can always happen and thus there is no value in discussing it? Not all of us think along the same lines. Some might like to believe that things are perfectly fine and there is no harm in participating. Some might realize the potential for harm, but simply not care about the outcome. Others have a different opinion, one of caution and not participating in case things do go bad. It has nothing to do with feelings of 'smug satisfaction'. I do truly hope that you aren't surrounded by people for whom it would for these kinds of discussions.
        romwell 5y ago
        A discussion about how TikTok can go bad, and what we can do about it would be valuable. And for that discussion, we'd need to understand what makes TikTok so good that it's taken the #1 spot. Saying "TikTok bad, don't use it" is the opposite of having a discussion.
      - rualca 5y ago
        > Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. > What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future? Why, take action to ensure things won't go bad? Is that concept hard to understand? That preparation is the key? I mean, why do people waste their time going out of their way to go to a crosswalk and wait for the light to go green to cross a street? They can simply jaywalk their way through life without bothering with hypothetical traffic accidents. But what value is there in doing that? People can get run over and often do get run over. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that people should cross the street in crosswalks other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future when a jaywalking fool gets ran over but they don't as a result of thinking things through and avoiding obvious problems?

romwell 5y ago

>You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do. See, at no point did I ever make claim about what other people here are, or claim to know how they feel or think. But the implication just made regarding me and caring about the future is the kind of unprovoked hostility that I feel safe from on TikTok, but not here. Whether I care about future, or cats, or fancy tea is not up for discussion.

random314 5y ago
Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread. Your shrieking, outright nasty responses and sense of entitlement don't automatically make you a victim. Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement. > If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" > I didn't come here for fortune-telling.
- romwell 5y ago
  >Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread >And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement I can't love this enough. Thank you. >Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. I didn't know it could get better, but it did!
  - random314 5y ago
    Your response did not have enough italics, I couldn't interpret it.
    - romwell 5y ago
      Yes! Thank you for this input :)