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Sounds like an anti-Semitic troll, but I'll respond with a related point: It is very slightly surprising that these come from Soviet times. Weren't the Soviets

Sounds like an anti-Semitic troll, but I'll respond with a related point: It is very slightly surprising that these come from Soviet times. Weren't the Soviets supposed to have rid Russia of evils like this? Turns out that the relationship between the Soviets and Judaism was complicated. There were "good Soviet" Jewish organizations, but these are not remembered fondly by the sources I read today. I guess it was a problem of loyalty related to totalitarianism: Your only really important identity was supposed to be "Party member". I also note that "Jewish problems" is a (sick) pun.

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
This is the article I'd had in mind. It's sort of about Judaism during Soviet times, though it's also about other things (and one core metaphor is backwards, IMO). But still, it's interesting: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-cool-kids https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the...
livinginfear 5y ago
> It is very slightly surprising that these come from Soviet times. Weren't the Soviets supposed to have rid Russia of evils like this? You surely can't be serious. You are either being very disingenuous, or have not spent much time looking at the history of the Soviet Union.
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  > or have not spent much time looking at the history of the Soviet Union. Probably that. I say "surprising" because there's a simplistic view in some places (particularly the US) that "antisemitism is Right" and "Communism is Left" and moreover "antisemitism is all due to Christianity" while at the same time "those godless Soviets were against Christianity" so automatically "the Soviets must have been pro-Jewish". I think this is believed in large swathes of the "Right" and "Left", but particularly on the "Right", where super-dumb Nazi types think "all those damn Jewish libtards" and so-on. I am making a pot shot at all that kind of stupidity, so people know life is never as simple as whatever dichotomous cartoon lives in their heads.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  I believe that you are misreading FooBarBizBazz's point. They were supposed to have eliminated things like this, according to their propaganda. But their history completely refutes the propaganda. That was FooBarBizBazz's point (as I read it).
  - FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
    Thanks, yeah, I'd agree with that. Any other point I was making would have flowed from that one.
TchoBeer 5y ago
>Sounds like an anti-Semitic troll I'm just now realizing that I sound like this, lol. No, I'm Jewish, just curious about history.
inglor_cz 5y ago
Buying any Soviet propaganda at face value is like buying a stretch of fine Pacific beach in Nevada. People in the Eastern Bloc, with the exception of the very gullible, developed such cynicism against any official communication that even 30 years later we struggle with the concept of "whatever the government says and does is blatant lie / corruption / theft".

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago

This is the article I'd had in mind. It's sort of about Judaism during Soviet times, though it's also about other things (and one core metaphor is backwards, IMO). But still, it's interesting: https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the-cool-kids https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/the...

livinginfear 5y ago

> It is very slightly surprising that these come from Soviet times. Weren't the Soviets supposed to have rid Russia of evils like this? You surely can't be serious. You are either being very disingenuous, or have not spent much time looking at the history of the Soviet Union.

FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
> or have not spent much time looking at the history of the Soviet Union. Probably that. I say "surprising" because there's a simplistic view in some places (particularly the US) that "antisemitism is Right" and "Communism is Left" and moreover "antisemitism is all due to Christianity" while at the same time "those godless Soviets were against Christianity" so automatically "the Soviets must have been pro-Jewish". I think this is believed in large swathes of the "Right" and "Left", but particularly on the "Right", where super-dumb Nazi types think "all those damn Jewish libtards" and so-on. I am making a pot shot at all that kind of stupidity, so people know life is never as simple as whatever dichotomous cartoon lives in their heads.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
I believe that you are misreading FooBarBizBazz's point. They were supposed to have eliminated things like this, according to their propaganda. But their history completely refutes the propaganda. That was FooBarBizBazz's point (as I read it).
- FooBarBizBazz 5y ago
  Thanks, yeah, I'd agree with that. Any other point I was making would have flowed from that one.

TchoBeer 5y ago

>Sounds like an anti-Semitic troll I'm just now realizing that I sound like this, lol. No, I'm Jewish, just curious about history.

inglor_cz 5y ago

Buying any Soviet propaganda at face value is like buying a stretch of fine Pacific beach in Nevada. People in the Eastern Bloc, with the exception of the very gullible, developed such cynicism against any official communication that even 30 years later we struggle with the concept of "whatever the government says and does is blatant lie / corruption / theft".