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I think you missed the parent's point. Their point wasn't that these experiences aren't possible today, it's that these wonderful and joyful experiences are all

• romwell 5y ago
  If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" I didn't come here for fortune-telling.
  • random314 5y ago
    You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do.
    • romwell 5y ago
      I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. If you like doom prophecies so much, I have one for you! Looks like the effects of climate change will take us all out before TikTok goes down the drain, so enjoy it while it (and the humanity) lasts.
      • rualca 5y ago
        > I care about the future, I don't care much for reading other people's Magic 8 Balls. Sorry but that assertion makes no sense at all. Caring about the future does not mean naive wishful thinking. Caring about the future means analysing the likely outcomes and act so that the best ones are the most likely outcomes and the worst ones are least likely. TikTok has a very clear and obvious attack surface. This attack surface has been known to be exploited in a certain way. Intentionally turning a blind eye to the clear and real threat it poses is the exact opposite of caring about the future because you are thus actively engaged in enabling the worst possible outcome to become a reality. You do not make problems go away by pretending they don't exist.
        • jstummbillig 5y ago
          However, you can make problems appear by pretending they do exist.
          • MrDresden 5y ago
            Can we perhaps agree that there is a possibility for things to go bad in the future (in regards to data collection and privacy), but that today we have no concrete evidence of it?
            • romwell 5y ago
              We can, but what value is there in making that statement? Things always can go bad, and, often, do go bad. That's almost vacuously true. What would one expect to come out of saying that, other than the feeling of smug satisfaction at some point in the future?
              • MrDresden 5y ago
                Under that same logic nothing that could potentially ever go badly should ever be discussed as it can always happen and thus there is no value in discussing it? Not all of us think along the same lines. Some might like to believe that things are perfectly fine and there is no harm in participating. Some might realize the potential for harm, but simply not care about the outcome. Others have a different opinion, one of caution and not participating in case things do go bad. It has nothing to do with feelings of 'smug satisfaction'. I do truly hope that you aren't surrounded by people for whom it would for these kinds of discussions.
                • romwell 5y ago
                  A discussion about how TikTok can go bad, and what we can do about it would be valuable. And for that discussion, we'd need to understand what makes TikTok so good that it's taken the #1 spot. Saying "TikTok bad, don't use it" is the opposite of having a discussion.
    • romwell 5y ago
      >You might not care about the future. But others on this forum do. See, at no point did I ever make claim about what other people here are, or claim to know how they feel or think. But the implication just made regarding me and caring about the future is the kind of unprovoked hostility that I feel safe from on TikTok, but not here. Whether I care about future, or cats, or fancy tea is not up for discussion.
      • random314 5y ago
        Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread. Your shrieking, outright nasty responses and sense of entitlement don't automatically make you a victim. Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement. > If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" > I didn't come here for fortune-telling.
        • romwell 5y ago
          >Maybe perhaps, it might have occurred to you that your response to mbesto is perhaps the best example of "unprovoked hostility" in this thread >And yes, pretty please, can you please get off my lawn? I didn't come here to witness mental derangement I can't love this enough. Thank you. >Stop trying to police other people's thoughts, responses, beliefs and predictions about Tiktok. I didn't know it could get better, but it did!
          • random314 5y ago
            Your response did not have enough italics, I couldn't interpret it.
            • romwell 5y ago
              Yes! Thank you for this input :)
  • oblio 5y ago
    The thing is, I think it's more than fortune telling. The social media business model is very dirty, it's an addiction machine coupled with selling your data to the highest bidder. The end result will invariably be the same. It's like free image hosting or free file hosting. A "better", "cleaner" hoster appears and then they either go bankrupt or they sell out. Some stuff is just predictable at this point. Social media should be an utility, we just haven't leveled up our civilization enough to know how to manage social media utilities. It took decades for us to do it for electricity & co.
    • ridaj 5y ago
      One thing to watch out for will be the treatment of divisive topics. It's eaten up so much of classic social media players because divisive content does well in terms of raw engagement, but it's not been my experience on TikTok. I wonder if there is explicit anti-divisiveness bias in the consumption experience.
      • romwell 5y ago
        I really like the comment you made, as it's constructive: "I wonder what makes TikTok different from other social networks regarding divisiveness" is an interesting question that adds value to the discussion. It's an invitation to ponder, research, and share perspectives. It differs from the ones before it: "You like it now, but give it time, it will be bad just like the rest" is not a statement of the same kind. It's little more than dull cynicism.
        • freedomben 5y ago
          I'm in agreement with your perspective, but: > See, you just made a constructive comment! Came off as very patronizing, and even infantilizing. GP is not even part of the disagreement above. They just made a good comment. It seems like you are lumping them together with the others that you are bothered by. If you just removed the quoted section then you're reply is otherwise great.
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  • bodge5000 5y ago
    I don't think people are saying it'll get worse, but rather that it's already bad, and over time we'll learn to what extent that is. If you know that and continue to use it, thats fine. I still used Facebook long after all the malarky about that came out (and as is this case, a lot of people, myself included, were already seeing the signs of it way before it came out). You need to pick your battles, in a world where everyone has their no #1 important issue you MUST act on, you need to decide where you can spare the mental energy. But denying it because you want to have your cake and eat it too probably isn't healthy
    • romwell 5y ago
      "Bad" is a very vague term. The claim I specifically disagree with is that TikTok currently actively deplatforms LGBTQ+ and disabled people. It simply was the opposite of my experience, as my suggested videos are at least 90% LGBTQ or disabled people. I can't even compare it to other social networks, as it gives these "vulnerable" demographics an incredibly large reach today — even with the alleged censorship — and nothing else comes even close! —Your car is bad, it has no seatbelts and airbags —But the other cars I can get don't even run! —Why don't you agree that it's a bad car? –Because it can get me places the other cars don't —So you think that no airbags is good? —No, I thinking that a driveable car without airbags is better for me than the stationary car that has them. It's good for me to have this car, my life improved after I got it. I use it to get to my friends that live far away. —But what about those kids that took a car for a joy ride and crashed it? —Perhaps they should not have been driving —But it's a Chinese car, it spies on you! —I have to use it to reach my friends because there's no other way —So you're denying that your car will be junk in a few years? It's not healthy! —Neither is worrying about potentially grim future —But it'll be worth nothing soon! —And by that time, I'll get its worth by other means
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      • bodge5000 5y ago
        Bad is a vague term, I thought we were talking about data privacy and such whereas it seems you're talking about deplatforming. My mistake there, although I would say that, especially in the context of data privacy, you probably want to avoid bad things happening. The car analogy doesn't really work, because you don't seem to be saying "TikTok is terrible but its the best we've got". In fact, you seem to be being quite combative with others when they say something along the lines of "TikTok is terrible", which oddly enough, is kind of negative itself. But maybe I'm just misreading things, emotion can be harder to decipher through text, so I suppose only you can know.