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50k is really amateur numbers. 50k people have probably already read you comment. Charli Damelio's last post was her eating a bag of Takis for 20 seconds and it

50k is really amateur numbers. 50k people have probably already read you comment. Charli Damelio's last post was her eating a bag of Takis for 20 seconds and it got 15 MILLION views. We're just not seeing those numbers in marginalized communities on tiktok but we do see queer creators with top-tier numbers on youtube, facebook, insta, etc. Where's the trans Charli or the obese Charli or the anti-capitalist Charli? Secondly, you're cherry picking examples. First you can't see how much more exposure these people would have had. Secondly, you're probably not in a country where these people would be invisible to you. Cherry-picking model minorities isn't helping your case at all. I'm not seeing anything too upsetting to the status quo here or to anything that might threaten tiktok economically. Those voices certainly aren't going to be heard as much. This is like cherry picking popular books, movies, and posters in China and saying, "So where's all the censorship then?" Survivorship bias is at work here, you're only really seeing the survivors. Its incredible that tiktok literally has admitted to this: https://www.dazeddigital.com/science-tech/article/50444/1/tiktok-admits-to-censoring-lgbtq-hashtags-gay-lesbian-transgender https://www.dazeddigital.com/science-tech/article/50444/1/ti... Yet somehow the popular HN response is alt-right denial and dismissal of anything that remotely sounds "SJW" to them. Literally after The Intercept and Netzpolitik broke these stories to the public. Its not even in the realm of "wow are they doing this?" As much as it is in the realm of "How much of this are they doing and how much do we not know?" “TikTok users posting videos with these hashtags are given the impression their posts are just as searchable as posts by other users, but in fact they aren’t,” the report said. “In practice, most of these hashtags are categorised in TikTok’s code in the same way that terrorist groups, illicit substances, and swear words are treated on the platform.” Its incredible to me that the oppression could not be more obvious, yet bigoted attitudes guarantee that some people will refuse to believe even what tiktok says. The fact that this company is grouping terrorists with queer and disabled people is completely and utterly inexcusable. Also encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda" but sane and safe health policy.

broknbottle 5y ago
You are cherry picking influencers to try and argue your point.. How do you know Charli Damelio isn’t queer? Maybe the reason you don’t see a certain demographic doing big numbers on a platform is because the users on said platform are not interested? I find it odd that you immediately jump to the conclusion that it must be oppression because everybody doesn’t find what you think they should find interesting. I’d rather watch somebody eat a bag of chips than listen to them talk about their sexual preferences.. I could care less what somebody finds attractive or who/what they are dating.
- wizzwizz4 5y ago
  > Maybe the reason you don’t see a certain demographic doing big numbers on a platform is because the users on said platform are not interested? With a platform as popular as TikTok… no way does that fly.
kortilla 5y ago
> Also encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda" but sane and safe health policy. Sane and safe health policy can still be propaganda. The moment you distill things into messages you just repeat and push, it’s propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda
n8cpdx 5y ago
As a queer person who uses TikTok, I think you should take some time to challenge your assumptions and get some more information. This video might be informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MYEtQ5Zdn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MYEtQ5Zdn8 I should correct a mistake I made earlier: all of my numbers cited are likes not views. The TikTok promoting vaccines was seen 3.5 Million times. There are many queer creators with videos in the millions of views, and many more with videos in the hundreds of thousands. Still, I don't think its reasonable to expect niche content from obese people to perform as well as generic content from normative people. I also don't think its reasonable to expect trans content to perform as well, given that a substantial portion of the US population still doesn't want to recognize or legalize their existence. Yet, there is an abundance of queer content (content that sought me out, I never told TikTok that I'm gay), much of it quite niche. TikTok sends me enough gay male twink armpit fetish content that I don't realistically think you can say they're making a serious effort to suppress it. If you're focusing on hashtags and not algorithm suggestions, I think you don't have a strong grasp of how TikTok works. All of the cited sources are quite old, so perhaps it was too early for folks to actually have time to use and understand the service. Your claim that there is nothing threatening to China or TikTok economically is suspect, given the algorithm has also suggested Uighur muslim genocide content: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR1RhcUj/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR1RhcUj/ - there are many more. This one has 65k likes. I also had no trouble searching for Taiwan and finding content that is quite hostile to China. I've had the fyp send me content directly critical of TikTok itself. > “In practice, most of these hashtags are categorised in TikTok’s code in the same way that terrorist groups, illicit substances, and swear words are treated on the platform.” The implementation details of an app aren't necessarily meaningful in the way you suggest. Twitter does something similar; I can type #isis #gay #weed #sex, and now Twitter has code that handles lgbtq, terrorist, and illicit substance content the same way.
- ralusek 5y ago
  > also don't think its reasonable to expect trans content to perform as well, given that a substantial portion of the US population still doesn't want to recognize or legalize their existence 1.) A substantial portion of the US population doesn't want to recognize or legalize the existence of trans people? What are you talking about? You're aware of some faction that's actively trying to make being transgender illegal? 2.) Your expectation is that content produced by transgender individuals (less than 1% of the population) is on aggregate as popular as content made by the remaining 99% of people? Do you mind defining the distribution you would consider to be acceptable here, as well as why you think it currently isn't your desired distribution?
yerwhat01010 5y ago
> encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda" Tell that to Jacinda Ardern: https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams--jacinda-ardern-admits-it-s--propaganda-.html https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams--ja...
Banana699 5y ago
>alt-right denial and dismissal of anything that remotely sounds "SJW" to them. Purely Pragmatic Advice : if people deny or dismiss something you think is true because of "SJW fatigue", accusing them of being alt-right is the last thing you want to do if you want to effectively sway them.

broknbottle 5y ago

You are cherry picking influencers to try and argue your point.. How do you know Charli Damelio isn’t queer? Maybe the reason you don’t see a certain demographic doing big numbers on a platform is because the users on said platform are not interested? I find it odd that you immediately jump to the conclusion that it must be oppression because everybody doesn’t find what you think they should find interesting. I’d rather watch somebody eat a bag of chips than listen to them talk about their sexual preferences.. I could care less what somebody finds attractive or who/what they are dating.

wizzwizz4 5y ago
> Maybe the reason you don’t see a certain demographic doing big numbers on a platform is because the users on said platform are not interested? With a platform as popular as TikTok… no way does that fly.

kortilla 5y ago

> Also encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda" but sane and safe health policy. Sane and safe health policy can still be propaganda. The moment you distill things into messages you just repeat and push, it’s propaganda: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

n8cpdx 5y ago

As a queer person who uses TikTok, I think you should take some time to challenge your assumptions and get some more information. This video might be informative: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MYEtQ5Zdn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MYEtQ5Zdn8 I should correct a mistake I made earlier: all of my numbers cited are likes not views. The TikTok promoting vaccines was seen 3.5 Million times. There are many queer creators with videos in the millions of views, and many more with videos in the hundreds of thousands. Still, I don't think its reasonable to expect niche content from obese people to perform as well as generic content from normative people. I also don't think its reasonable to expect trans content to perform as well, given that a substantial portion of the US population still doesn't want to recognize or legalize their existence. Yet, there is an abundance of queer content (content that sought me out, I never told TikTok that I'm gay), much of it quite niche. TikTok sends me enough gay male twink armpit fetish content that I don't realistically think you can say they're making a serious effort to suppress it. If you're focusing on hashtags and not algorithm suggestions, I think you don't have a strong grasp of how TikTok works. All of the cited sources are quite old, so perhaps it was too early for folks to actually have time to use and understand the service. Your claim that there is nothing threatening to China or TikTok economically is suspect, given the algorithm has also suggested Uighur muslim genocide content: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR1RhcUj/ https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMR1RhcUj/ - there are many more. This one has 65k likes. I also had no trouble searching for Taiwan and finding content that is quite hostile to China. I've had the fyp send me content directly critical of TikTok itself. > “In practice, most of these hashtags are categorised in TikTok’s code in the same way that terrorist groups, illicit substances, and swear words are treated on the platform.” The implementation details of an app aren't necessarily meaningful in the way you suggest. Twitter does something similar; I can type #isis #gay #weed #sex, and now Twitter has code that handles lgbtq, terrorist, and illicit substance content the same way.

ralusek 5y ago
> also don't think its reasonable to expect trans content to perform as well, given that a substantial portion of the US population still doesn't want to recognize or legalize their existence 1.) A substantial portion of the US population doesn't want to recognize or legalize the existence of trans people? What are you talking about? You're aware of some faction that's actively trying to make being transgender illegal? 2.) Your expectation is that content produced by transgender individuals (less than 1% of the population) is on aggregate as popular as content made by the remaining 99% of people? Do you mind defining the distribution you would consider to be acceptable here, as well as why you think it currently isn't your desired distribution?

yerwhat01010 5y ago

> encouraging vaccinations isn't "propaganda" Tell that to Jacinda Ardern: https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams--jacinda-ardern-admits-it-s--propaganda-.html https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/2021/03/peter-williams--ja...

Banana699 5y ago

>alt-right denial and dismissal of anything that remotely sounds "SJW" to them. Purely Pragmatic Advice : if people deny or dismiss something you think is true because of "SJW fatigue", accusing them of being alt-right is the last thing you want to do if you want to effectively sway them.