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The thesis for America exceeding China in the near term future that I have heard is "Our Chinese will beat their Chinese." [1] 1 - https://alphastar.academy/u

The thesis for America exceeding China in the near term future that I have heard is "Our Chinese will beat their Chinese." [1] 1 - https://alphastar.academy/us-team-wins-1st-place-at-international-math-olympiads/ https://alphastar.academy/us-team-wins-1st-place-at-internat...

nos4A2 5y ago
I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.
- deleted 5y ago
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- pedroma 5y ago
  Curious what you're implying happened in the US in the last 4 years. Maybe I'm missing some important event other than Covid but that affects all countries.
  - nos4A2 5y ago
    https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/567493-dysfunctional-doesnt-begin-to-describe-our-immigration-bureaucracy?amp&__twitter_impression=true https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/567493-dysfunctional... https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2021/08/03/fading-beacon-why-america-is-losing-international-students https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2021/08/03/fading-beacon-...
  - nos4A2 5y ago
    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02172-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02172-8
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  My observation is that it actually accelerated said brain-gain. There was a crackdown on fraudulent H1B applications, with more RFEs being issued. That freed a lot of spots for legitimate applicants that were hogged by questionable bodyshops. It also incentivized attorneys to start looking at O-1 (and they are easier than people think for real engineers to get). Academically, a lot was written (by foreign universities) about how the US was going to lose it's edge have a drop in applicants but the rankings didn't change during the last 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if more people applied simply because they (erroneously) believed that admission would be a little less competitive with less applicants.
  - nos4A2 5y ago
    Can you cite links that support your assertion that there were fewer fraudulent H1B applications?
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-increase-under-the-trump-administration http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-incr... Not hard to find.
      - nos4A2 5y ago
        This is misleading though, because a majority of H1b applications are renewals (so folks already on an H1b), not new applications. On top of that, most renewals happen to be Indian Nationals because they have no pathway to obtain permanent residency in many cases. Also how does a higher rejection rate lead to brain gain? I'd imagine it discourages a would be immigrant.
  - herbst 5y ago
    Making it easy to get there is not what makes a place interesting to move to.
droptablemain 5y ago
Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.
- oblio 5y ago
  Well, it could work. After all, your Germans beat their Germans twice.
jerrre 5y ago
Interesting quote, but if I'm not missing anything this link is just a bit shortsighted as proof right? If it's just the pic+names.

nos4A2 5y ago

I wouldn't take that for granted at all, the last 4 years will definitely have a lasting impact on any brain gain the US might've had.

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pedroma 5y ago
Curious what you're implying happened in the US in the last 4 years. Maybe I'm missing some important event other than Covid but that affects all countries.
- nos4A2 5y ago
  https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/567493-dysfunctional-doesnt-begin-to-describe-our-immigration-bureaucracy?amp&__twitter_impression=true https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/567493-dysfunctional... https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2021/08/03/fading-beacon-why-america-is-losing-international-students https://www.apmreports.org/episode/2021/08/03/fading-beacon-...
- nos4A2 5y ago
  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02172-8 https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02172-8
908B64B197 5y ago
My observation is that it actually accelerated said brain-gain. There was a crackdown on fraudulent H1B applications, with more RFEs being issued. That freed a lot of spots for legitimate applicants that were hogged by questionable bodyshops. It also incentivized attorneys to start looking at O-1 (and they are easier than people think for real engineers to get). Academically, a lot was written (by foreign universities) about how the US was going to lose it's edge have a drop in applicants but the rankings didn't change during the last 4 years. I wouldn't be surprised if more people applied simply because they (erroneously) believed that admission would be a little less competitive with less applicants.
- nos4A2 5y ago
  Can you cite links that support your assertion that there were fewer fraudulent H1B applications?
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-increase-under-the-trump-administration http://www.immigrationlawgroup.net/h1b-rfes-and-denials-incr... Not hard to find.
    - nos4A2 5y ago
      This is misleading though, because a majority of H1b applications are renewals (so folks already on an H1b), not new applications. On top of that, most renewals happen to be Indian Nationals because they have no pathway to obtain permanent residency in many cases. Also how does a higher rejection rate lead to brain gain? I'd imagine it discourages a would be immigrant.
- herbst 5y ago
  Making it easy to get there is not what makes a place interesting to move to.

droptablemain 5y ago

Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

oblio 5y ago
Well, it could work. After all, your Germans beat their Germans twice.

jerrre 5y ago

Interesting quote, but if I'm not missing anything this link is just a bit shortsighted as proof right? If it's just the pic+names.