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Oh, just stop it right there. GDPR is already quite clear, the companies just keep pretending it’s more complicated than it actually is because they want to con

Oh, just stop it right there. GDPR is already quite clear, the companies just keep pretending it’s more complicated than it actually is because they want to continue to look out for number one, is all.

AlanYx 5y ago
But the GDPR is not clear -- I gave two examples from the linked article to support my point. The same thing is true across the GDPR... I'm more familiar with the academic literature around whether there is a "right to an explanation" for AI systems embedded in the GDPR, for example. There are dozens of academic papers arguing both sides of that specific question, with no clear conclusion or consensus.
- zibzab 5y ago
  Your mistake is that you belive that (1) the law is not clear and (2) these poor companies end up with these crazy solutions because the law is unclear. The thing is that the _intent_ of the law is very clear. You could search for loopholes and come up with all kinds of creative solutions to go around it, but then you can't pretend it is a decision you made in good fate.
slownews45 5y ago
Haha - on HN we literally have folks saying that a cookie popup / banner is a GDPR violation, and others pointing out the .eu sites that do exactly that (govt run!). So yes - the GDPR is confusing as hell! You either have to pop up for explicit consent or are not supposed to yadda yadda. The average user is relatively sick of the GDPR I think that this point.
- throwaway525142 5y ago
  Can you point out a link to comments that contradict each other? AFAIK, you can use cookie banners, but opting in has to be as easy as opting out. The .eu sites do that.
  - slownews45 5y ago
    Sure - it's a common view that the banners are a GDPR violation or not required. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28134437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28134437
- WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
  How they say it on HN... It's pointless to expect someone to understand something if their pay depends on them on understanding it.

AlanYx 5y ago

But the GDPR is not clear -- I gave two examples from the linked article to support my point. The same thing is true across the GDPR... I'm more familiar with the academic literature around whether there is a "right to an explanation" for AI systems embedded in the GDPR, for example. There are dozens of academic papers arguing both sides of that specific question, with no clear conclusion or consensus.

zibzab 5y ago
Your mistake is that you belive that (1) the law is not clear and (2) these poor companies end up with these crazy solutions because the law is unclear. The thing is that the _intent_ of the law is very clear. You could search for loopholes and come up with all kinds of creative solutions to go around it, but then you can't pretend it is a decision you made in good fate.

slownews45 5y ago

Haha - on HN we literally have folks saying that a cookie popup / banner is a GDPR violation, and others pointing out the .eu sites that do exactly that (govt run!). So yes - the GDPR is confusing as hell! You either have to pop up for explicit consent or are not supposed to yadda yadda. The average user is relatively sick of the GDPR I think that this point.

throwaway525142 5y ago
Can you point out a link to comments that contradict each other? AFAIK, you can use cookie banners, but opting in has to be as easy as opting out. The .eu sites do that.
- slownews45 5y ago
  Sure - it's a common view that the banners are a GDPR violation or not required. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28134437 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28134437
WesolyKubeczek 5y ago
How they say it on HN... It's pointless to expect someone to understand something if their pay depends on them on understanding it.