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Show me that these non-pharmaceutical interventions actually worked at all? They were untested and completely unproven going into this mess and so far I've yet

Show me that these non-pharmaceutical interventions actually worked at all? They were untested and completely unproven going into this mess and so far I've yet to see any evidence they have done anything more harm society for a year and a half. We've been running an uncontrolled experiment against unconsenting people--pretty damn unethical and immoral if you ask me. Again... all these health "experts" did is take something bad and make it 100x worse. Pretending these interventions didn't have any costs and gaslighting the hell out of anybody who brought up objections was one of the more evil things society has done over the last 1.5 years. Perhaps only topped by forcing people to die alone in the hospital because of "covid policy" or keeping kids out of school for more than a year and then forcing them to wear masks all day when they return all for a disease they aren't at all affected by... This last 1.5 years has been an absolutely shameful display of humanity at its worst.

mikeyouse 5y ago
There was no ability to "run a controlled experiment" in the midst of a novel pandemic. A minimum of 600k Americans died. That's the world with all of the interventions (many of which were probably unnecessary in retrospect!). Could we have pared some down sooner? Sure but it's 100% guaranteed that the death count would have been much higher had we done nothing like you seem to have think would have been a good idea. Stopping in-person school and travel and universal masking are self-evidently going to reduce transmission, so I have no idea what "study" you expect to see. This is just covid denialism churched up with some historian's fallacy. Again, what was 100x worse? In your world in which kids went to school and we let healthy people come-and-go from covid-infested hospitals, how many more people would have died to justify that "freedom"? Our CFR is something like 2% (before Delta) - what does that calculate to if a few more tens of millions of additional people got the disease?
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  It may be a surprise to you but there is a lot more problems in life than a myopic focus on exactly one single form of illness. And quoting CFR is very poor form. The IFR for OG covid in folks under like 65 is something under 0.1%. For children, you should be much more worried about fires and pools.
  - unionpivo 5y ago
    Children can carry covid just fine. And their parents are not as immune as they.
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mikeyouse 5y ago

There was no ability to "run a controlled experiment" in the midst of a novel pandemic. A minimum of 600k Americans died. That's the world with all of the interventions (many of which were probably unnecessary in retrospect!). Could we have pared some down sooner? Sure but it's 100% guaranteed that the death count would have been much higher had we done nothing like you seem to have think would have been a good idea. Stopping in-person school and travel and universal masking are self-evidently going to reduce transmission, so I have no idea what "study" you expect to see. This is just covid denialism churched up with some historian's fallacy. Again, what was 100x worse? In your world in which kids went to school and we let healthy people come-and-go from covid-infested hospitals, how many more people would have died to justify that "freedom"? Our CFR is something like 2% (before Delta) - what does that calculate to if a few more tens of millions of additional people got the disease?

spookthesunset 5y ago
It may be a surprise to you but there is a lot more problems in life than a myopic focus on exactly one single form of illness. And quoting CFR is very poor form. The IFR for OG covid in folks under like 65 is something under 0.1%. For children, you should be much more worried about fires and pools.
- unionpivo 5y ago
  Children can carry covid just fine. And their parents are not as immune as they.

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