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I decided to take a look at Daybreak on google maps, but I'm having a hard time understanding how the layout is different than other developments. I do notice t

by jerry1979 5y ago

I decided to take a look at Daybreak on google maps, but I'm having a hard time understanding how the layout is different than other developments. I do notice that the lane system looks nice as opposed to just having alleys. Is there other stuff you like?

bart_spoon 5y ago
I’m not the OP, but I’ve seen Daybreak I think emphasis there is smaller single-family home lots, and lots of multi family buildings, all built within walking distances to amenities like restaurants, entertainment, grocery stores, clinics, the light railway station, etc. It kind of feels like a hybrid between large urban downtowns you might find in the US and elsewhere, and traditional American suburbs. Not remotely as dense or large scale as say NYC, but far more walkable and mixed use than standard suburban life. I’m sure many non-Americans would fail to see what makes that unique, but for American neighborhoods it definitely is.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago
  What you're describing is pretty much exactly what every rust belt city that had no development from 1960 to present day is like. Of course everyone who works in an office turns their nose up at those kinds of places because "muh good schools" or something along those lines.
- prawn 5y ago
  I couldn't see any real density from the satellite and streetview pictures. Looks like every typical housing development in Australia but with the laneway access for cars and more uniformity in terms of building design and fencing rules. No contemporary housing design that I could find. Walking anywhere (outside of strolling the neighbourhood) would be a longer undertaking, I'm guessing? Hard to see businesses or restaurants amongst the housing? As a suburb, should look good once the street trees grow up though. This is a masterplan of a typical Australian development: https://brookmont.com.au/masterplan https://brookmont.com.au/masterplan - in this case, has gardens and community spaces, but not walking distance to anything useful. There's a big hardware store nearby, but no one would walk to it.
dougmwne 5y ago
It is utterly bizarre to read positive comments here then try to look at Daybreak on Google Maps. I see about 5 restaurants in a tiny town center, no convenience stores or grocery, just several square miles of small lot suburbs with dotted pools and tennis courts. Looks like the opposite of walkable to me. No biking infrastructure leading to that light rail station or evidence that anyone would walk anywhere for anything. Human-scale urban planning must truly be a foreign concept to Americans.
- ac29 5y ago
  There are tons of cul-de-sacs (pro-car, anti-pedestrian) and huge parking lots at the shopping centers. This looks really as bad as some of the worst of American suburbs (edit: as a pedestrian! maybe its nice enough to live in for other reasons).
csomar 5y ago
I'm not sure why this comment isn't up-voted enough. Not sure if the parent poster visited Europe or Asia (or most of the world really) but Daybreak, Utah is nowhere near walk-able except for some of the residents living quite near to the attractions (a grill restaurant or whatever); and these commerce already have many times their sizes in parking. And cerise-sur-le-gateaux these are some of the ugliest buildings that I have seen. Unbalanced colors, indecisiveness between American/European styles, etc... It's really just your average American neighborhood or worse.

bart_spoon 5y ago

I’m not the OP, but I’ve seen Daybreak I think emphasis there is smaller single-family home lots, and lots of multi family buildings, all built within walking distances to amenities like restaurants, entertainment, grocery stores, clinics, the light railway station, etc. It kind of feels like a hybrid between large urban downtowns you might find in the US and elsewhere, and traditional American suburbs. Not remotely as dense or large scale as say NYC, but far more walkable and mixed use than standard suburban life. I’m sure many non-Americans would fail to see what makes that unique, but for American neighborhoods it definitely is.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
What you're describing is pretty much exactly what every rust belt city that had no development from 1960 to present day is like. Of course everyone who works in an office turns their nose up at those kinds of places because "muh good schools" or something along those lines.
prawn 5y ago
I couldn't see any real density from the satellite and streetview pictures. Looks like every typical housing development in Australia but with the laneway access for cars and more uniformity in terms of building design and fencing rules. No contemporary housing design that I could find. Walking anywhere (outside of strolling the neighbourhood) would be a longer undertaking, I'm guessing? Hard to see businesses or restaurants amongst the housing? As a suburb, should look good once the street trees grow up though. This is a masterplan of a typical Australian development: https://brookmont.com.au/masterplan https://brookmont.com.au/masterplan - in this case, has gardens and community spaces, but not walking distance to anything useful. There's a big hardware store nearby, but no one would walk to it.

dougmwne 5y ago

It is utterly bizarre to read positive comments here then try to look at Daybreak on Google Maps. I see about 5 restaurants in a tiny town center, no convenience stores or grocery, just several square miles of small lot suburbs with dotted pools and tennis courts. Looks like the opposite of walkable to me. No biking infrastructure leading to that light rail station or evidence that anyone would walk anywhere for anything. Human-scale urban planning must truly be a foreign concept to Americans.

ac29 5y ago
There are tons of cul-de-sacs (pro-car, anti-pedestrian) and huge parking lots at the shopping centers. This looks really as bad as some of the worst of American suburbs (edit: as a pedestrian! maybe its nice enough to live in for other reasons).

csomar 5y ago

I'm not sure why this comment isn't up-voted enough. Not sure if the parent poster visited Europe or Asia (or most of the world really) but Daybreak, Utah is nowhere near walk-able except for some of the residents living quite near to the attractions (a grill restaurant or whatever); and these commerce already have many times their sizes in parking. And cerise-sur-le-gateaux these are some of the ugliest buildings that I have seen. Unbalanced colors, indecisiveness between American/European styles, etc... It's really just your average American neighborhood or worse.