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Our two mainstream options for mobile OS are one that stalks you everywhere you go and monitors what you do for the company behind it and one that will look on

by mfer 5y ago

Our two mainstream options for mobile OS are one that stalks you everywhere you go and monitors what you do for the company behind it and one that will look on device at your pictures to possibly report to the government (with other governments likely licking their lips). This two party system is starting to stink. > "However mobile OS's may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion." -- George Washington

post_break 5y ago
It's very similar when your ISP choices are Comcast and AT&T or insert other horrible ISP. If they don't do an about face on this I'm pretty much done with iPhone forever. Yes Google loves my location/search data, but what are my options? It's so frustrating.
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  Google has been scanning everything in your account for kiddie porn for the past decade. >a man [was] arrested on child pornography charges, after Google tipped off authorities about illegal images found in the Houston suspect's Gmail account https://techcrunch.com/2014/08/06/why-the-gmail-scan-that-led-to-a-mans-arrest-for-child-porn-was-not-a-privacy-violation/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/08/06/why-the-gmail-scan-that-le... In the case of a false positive, that information lives on Google's server where it can be subpoenaed and misused to incriminate you. We've seen it before with location data. >Innocent man, 23, sues Arizona police for $1.5million after being arrested for murder and jailed for six days when Google's GPS tracker wrongly placed him at the scene of the 2018 crime https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7897319/Police-arrested-innocent-man-murder-using-Google-location-data.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7897319/Police-arre... With Apple's system, a single false positive would never even leave the device. Multiple images have to be found to match known kiddie porn images before a human review is triggered.
  - post_break 5y ago
    That’s all great and all but Google hasn’t been touting privacy features as a selling point. With Apples decision to move forward with this I’m not beholden to any company for my phone. At least with android I can side load and do what I want.
    - GeekyBear 5y ago
      Not having any data on a single false positives ever leave your device is MUCH more private than having that data exist on Google's servers. Also, I have huge doubts that Google is reviewing the data to be sure it isn't a false positive before handing it over to the authorities. They very famously refuse to hire expensive human beings when flawed machine learning algorithms are cheaper.
      - post_break 5y ago
        I never used iCloud photo. I never hosted my photos on Google photos. But when Apple talks about using their CSAM technology for 3rd party apps, even if I'm sending my photos to my private synology? Well that's when I see the writing on the wall and head out. There is no perfect candidate, but selling me on privacy, and doing what they are doing now is the line in the sand for me. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-feat...
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        >when Apple talks about using their CSAM technology for 3rd party apps Citation needed. Apple has made no such claim and has made it clear that if you turn iCloud photos off, nothing is scanned. >If users are not using iCloud Photos, NeuralHash will not run https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-privacy-details-child-abuse-detection-and-messages-safety-features/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-p...
      - post_break 5y ago
        I cant seem to reply to your other comment. Here is where they talk about expanding it to third party apps: "Apple said that while it does not have anything to share today in terms of an announcement, expanding the child safety features to third parties so that users are even more broadly protected would be a desirable goal." https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-feat... Do you really think they would go to all this trouble and then say oh you don't want to get scanned? Just turn off iCloud photos.
- mfer 5y ago
  PinePhone? https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ I'm frustrated, too.
  - executive 5y ago
    Too slow & small battery for use as primary device. Cool toy at this point. https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs

by mfer 5y ago

post_break 5y ago

It's very similar when your ISP choices are Comcast and AT&T or insert other horrible ISP. If they don't do an about face on this I'm pretty much done with iPhone forever. Yes Google loves my location/search data, but what are my options? It's so frustrating.

GeekyBear 5y ago
Google has been scanning everything in your account for kiddie porn for the past decade. >a man [was] arrested on child pornography charges, after Google tipped off authorities about illegal images found in the Houston suspect's Gmail account https://techcrunch.com/2014/08/06/why-the-gmail-scan-that-led-to-a-mans-arrest-for-child-porn-was-not-a-privacy-violation/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/08/06/why-the-gmail-scan-that-le... In the case of a false positive, that information lives on Google's server where it can be subpoenaed and misused to incriminate you. We've seen it before with location data. >Innocent man, 23, sues Arizona police for $1.5million after being arrested for murder and jailed for six days when Google's GPS tracker wrongly placed him at the scene of the 2018 crime https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7897319/Police-arrested-innocent-man-murder-using-Google-location-data.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7897319/Police-arre... With Apple's system, a single false positive would never even leave the device. Multiple images have to be found to match known kiddie porn images before a human review is triggered.
- post_break 5y ago
  That’s all great and all but Google hasn’t been touting privacy features as a selling point. With Apples decision to move forward with this I’m not beholden to any company for my phone. At least with android I can side load and do what I want.
  - GeekyBear 5y ago
    Not having any data on a single false positives ever leave your device is MUCH more private than having that data exist on Google's servers. Also, I have huge doubts that Google is reviewing the data to be sure it isn't a false positive before handing it over to the authorities. They very famously refuse to hire expensive human beings when flawed machine learning algorithms are cheaper.
    - post_break 5y ago
      I never used iCloud photo. I never hosted my photos on Google photos. But when Apple talks about using their CSAM technology for 3rd party apps, even if I'm sending my photos to my private synology? Well that's when I see the writing on the wall and head out. There is no perfect candidate, but selling me on privacy, and doing what they are doing now is the line in the sand for me. https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-feat...
      - GeekyBear 5y ago
        >when Apple talks about using their CSAM technology for 3rd party apps Citation needed. Apple has made no such claim and has made it clear that if you turn iCloud photos off, nothing is scanned. >If users are not using iCloud Photos, NeuralHash will not run https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-privacy-details-child-abuse-detection-and-messages-safety-features/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/08/10/interview-apples-head-of-p...
    - post_break 5y ago
      I cant seem to reply to your other comment. Here is where they talk about expanding it to third party apps: "Apple said that while it does not have anything to share today in terms of an announcement, expanding the child safety features to third parties so that users are even more broadly protected would be a desirable goal." https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-features-third-party-apps/ https://www.macrumors.com/2021/08/09/apple-child-safety-feat... Do you really think they would go to all this trouble and then say oh you don't want to get scanned? Just turn off iCloud photos.
mfer 5y ago
PinePhone? https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/ I'm frustrated, too.
- executive 5y ago
  Too slow & small battery for use as primary device. Cool toy at this point. https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs https://youtu.be/fCKMxzz9cjs