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Surely if this guy is a known grifter it would've come up in a background check or credit check when he applied for the apartment. There is always a large risk

Surely if this guy is a known grifter it would've come up in a background check or credit check when he applied for the apartment. There is always a large risk that a tenant fails to pay rent, even before covid. If anything, your family member benefitted from the government offering rental assistance. It sounds like he wasn't fully aware of those risks when he decided to become a landlord. Being a landlord has never been a risk-free investment, but landlords love to pretend they are the victim anytime that risk doesn't pay off.

spookthesunset 5y ago
> Being a landlord has never been a risk-free investment Never in a million years would any reasonable person think the government would come in and say "I don't care if they don't pay you for 18 months, you have to keep a roof over their head and play landlord to a complete deadbeat". That is a contingency so far out of the norm it is a bit ridiculous to blame business owners for not preparing. Blaming businesses for "not being prepared" for massive, completely unexpected government overreach is pretty lame.
- vb6sp6 5y ago
  It's convenient that we skip over the fact that the landlord did receive money from the feds
- throwaway24124 5y ago
  No landlord has been receiving $0 in rent for the last 18 months. Either they accepted rental assistance from the government (covering the full amount of missing rent) or they have declined rental assistance from the government, and have evicted the tenant. The most strict eviction moratorium is in California, which bars "evictions if renters file a declaration about their financial hardships, and if they pay at least 25% of their debt by the end of January 2021." Also, unless the landlord entered a 2 year lease with a tenant in February 2020, why would a landlord choose to renew a lease with a tenant who is paying $0? These eviction moratoriums do not just let any tenant stay and pay $0, there are very strict guidelines for what kind of tenants are not allowed to be evicted and for how long. Additionally, during the Great Recession, the Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act was passed which required 3 month notice to tenants before beginning the eviction process, so I do think it's fair to blame landlords if they are not able to afford their investment properties when a few months of rent is not paid on time.
  - diggernet 5y ago
    > No landlord has been receiving $0 in rent for the last 18 months. Either they accepted rental assistance from the government (covering the full amount of missing rent) or they have declined rental assistance from the government, and have evicted the tenant. Nice words, but bullshit. I know multiple people (landlords and tenants) who have been attempting to get rental assistance. After 6 months of waiting, not one of them have gotten a dime. Has anyone here (landlord or tenant) applied for and received rental assistance from California? If so, I know some folks who would love to hear how you did it. And the landlords still cannot evict. Despite the the moratorium not being absolute (for example, you can allegedly get evicted for lease violations other than non-payment), the courts simply will not accept eviction cases at all, making it effectively absolute.

spookthesunset 5y ago

> Being a landlord has never been a risk-free investment Never in a million years would any reasonable person think the government would come in and say "I don't care if they don't pay you for 18 months, you have to keep a roof over their head and play landlord to a complete deadbeat". That is a contingency so far out of the norm it is a bit ridiculous to blame business owners for not preparing. Blaming businesses for "not being prepared" for massive, completely unexpected government overreach is pretty lame.

vb6sp6 5y ago
It's convenient that we skip over the fact that the landlord did receive money from the feds
throwaway24124 5y ago
No landlord has been receiving $0 in rent for the last 18 months. Either they accepted rental assistance from the government (covering the full amount of missing rent) or they have declined rental assistance from the government, and have evicted the tenant. The most strict eviction moratorium is in California, which bars "evictions if renters file a declaration about their financial hardships, and if they pay at least 25% of their debt by the end of January 2021." Also, unless the landlord entered a 2 year lease with a tenant in February 2020, why would a landlord choose to renew a lease with a tenant who is paying $0? These eviction moratoriums do not just let any tenant stay and pay $0, there are very strict guidelines for what kind of tenants are not allowed to be evicted and for how long. Additionally, during the Great Recession, the Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act was passed which required 3 month notice to tenants before beginning the eviction process, so I do think it's fair to blame landlords if they are not able to afford their investment properties when a few months of rent is not paid on time.
- diggernet 5y ago
  > No landlord has been receiving $0 in rent for the last 18 months. Either they accepted rental assistance from the government (covering the full amount of missing rent) or they have declined rental assistance from the government, and have evicted the tenant. Nice words, but bullshit. I know multiple people (landlords and tenants) who have been attempting to get rental assistance. After 6 months of waiting, not one of them have gotten a dime. Has anyone here (landlord or tenant) applied for and received rental assistance from California? If so, I know some folks who would love to hear how you did it. And the landlords still cannot evict. Despite the the moratorium not being absolute (for example, you can allegedly get evicted for lease violations other than non-payment), the courts simply will not accept eviction cases at all, making it effectively absolute.