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Think bigger. Say I'm starting a startup: 1. "Setup Django, Nginx, and Postgres deployed on a Digital Ocean Ubuntu droplet." Done. 2. "Make a shopping page li

Think bigger. Say I'm starting a startup: 1. "Setup Django, Nginx, and Postgres deployed on a Digital Ocean Ubuntu droplet." Done. 2. "Make a shopping page like $URL." Done. 3. "Fill it with data from X and connect with Stripe." Done. 4. ??? 5. Profit Seems like even a great dev will take 20x the time to do that if the model is able to correctly generate this, even with an error, customization, or two.

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throwaway128327 5y ago
but does it really matter, if 20x is 1 week instead of 2 hours? are startups really that shallow?
- motoxpro 5y ago
  1/20th of the time? That's kind of a big deal.
  - throwaway128327 5y ago
    i think the 1/20th of the time was mentioned was only at start, i dont think you will gain a lot after that as the spaghetti AI will come to collect. You have a debt to pay. -- Davy Jones
  - qayxc 5y ago
    That depends: https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/ A one-time setup is perfectly OK to take a few days, especially if afterwards you have a documented process that allows you to modify and improve the result.
holler 5y ago
at the point where 1/2/3 are possible, what value does the startup have when anyone else can ask it to do the same thing?
- tux3 5y ago
  Do your competitors have access to this tool that gets you started 20x faster? If so, you want the tool. Your copycat startup may not have incredible value, but selling shovels always pays.
  - holler 5y ago
    ah, true... touché Realistically if we get to that point the landscape of "startups" will drastically change
dimal 5y ago
If you don't have someone that understands the generated code, you'll be kinda screwed. Most of my work isn't writing a function to do X. It's reading and understanding all the surrounding code and architecture and then knowing that I need a function to do X. Writing the actual function isn't usually much of a challenge. I get the feeling that this tool will just encourage write-only code that ultimately no one understands. Will all of the generated code follow a consistent style? Will it know to use the framework you built or will it just reinvent everything it needs for each problem you give it? I already see tons of code that people copy and paste without really understanding it, and a lot of the time they're just adding complexity by solving non-problems. This just automates that process. I can see it being useful in certain narrow cases, but the potential for misuse is huge.
tome 5y ago
Why would you mention "Django", "Nginx", "Postgres", "Digital Ocean", "Ubuntu" or "Stripe"? Surely those are implementation details that the user wouldn't care about.

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throwaway128327 5y ago

but does it really matter, if 20x is 1 week instead of 2 hours? are startups really that shallow?

motoxpro 5y ago
1/20th of the time? That's kind of a big deal.
- throwaway128327 5y ago
  i think the 1/20th of the time was mentioned was only at start, i dont think you will gain a lot after that as the spaghetti AI will come to collect. You have a debt to pay. -- Davy Jones
- qayxc 5y ago
  That depends: https://xkcd.com/1205/ https://xkcd.com/1205/ A one-time setup is perfectly OK to take a few days, especially if afterwards you have a documented process that allows you to modify and improve the result.

holler 5y ago

at the point where 1/2/3 are possible, what value does the startup have when anyone else can ask it to do the same thing?

tux3 5y ago
Do your competitors have access to this tool that gets you started 20x faster? If so, you want the tool. Your copycat startup may not have incredible value, but selling shovels always pays.
- holler 5y ago
  ah, true... touché Realistically if we get to that point the landscape of "startups" will drastically change

dimal 5y ago

If you don't have someone that understands the generated code, you'll be kinda screwed. Most of my work isn't writing a function to do X. It's reading and understanding all the surrounding code and architecture and then knowing that I need a function to do X. Writing the actual function isn't usually much of a challenge. I get the feeling that this tool will just encourage write-only code that ultimately no one understands. Will all of the generated code follow a consistent style? Will it know to use the framework you built or will it just reinvent everything it needs for each problem you give it? I already see tons of code that people copy and paste without really understanding it, and a lot of the time they're just adding complexity by solving non-problems. This just automates that process. I can see it being useful in certain narrow cases, but the potential for misuse is huge.

tome 5y ago

Why would you mention "Django", "Nginx", "Postgres", "Digital Ocean", "Ubuntu" or "Stripe"? Surely those are implementation details that the user wouldn't care about.