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The Schengen area shouldn't have been expanded so rapidly, IMO. Btw, what we in Scandinavia mostly read about is the constant flow of stolen goods to e.g. Pola
by tpmx 5y ago
The Schengen area shouldn't have been expanded so rapidly, IMO.
Btw, what we in Scandinavia mostly read about is the constant flow of stolen goods to e.g. Poland and neighbouring countries. This was interesting to read about.
- Haemm0r 5y agoI can't imagine that borders would prevent this kind of dumps.
- jacquesm 5y agoThe difference is that when the borders were still up illegal goods movements were detected more frequently, but most of this waste movement is and was perfectly legal under EU single market rules. The 'four freedoms' explicitly spell this out.
- tpmx 5y agoThis brings up the whole Multi-speed Europe thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-speed_Europe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-speed_Europe Regardless, anyway you view it, these dumpings are a failure of the particular way the current EU has been implemented. There were other options.
- jacquesm 5y agoIt's a bit more complicated than that. Schengen had a lot more effect on the border checks for people than it did on the border checks for goods, which were next to non-existent already.
- tpmx 5y agoAnd at the same time not. Schengen abolished border checks for vehicles passing national borders. Border checks for goods were not next to non-existent pre-Schengen. They caught a lot of stuff. At least in Sweden.
- jacquesm 5y agoThose were spot checks at best. The amount of internal goods traffic within the EU is astounding, you're looking at 10 million tons per year.
- tpmx 5y agoI actually ran the numbers, napkin style, a while ago. I think an efficient border control was happening, and still could be happening soon, if we were to re-implement it. I was looking at whether it would be financially prudent for Sweden to start up border checks again to stop the flow of stolen goods out of the country. The conclusion was a clear yes.
- edoceo 5y agoI believe it and can you show the numbers?
- polskibus 5y agoThe amount of intraeuropean libel is truly outrageous. Such things are often presented without much context and comparison to crime inside the particular country and other misdeeds such country allows for. For example we in Poland often read about Scandinavians ruining the fish in Baltic sea by fishing way above their qoutas and getting away with it, without replenishing the fish population. I'm sur Scandinavians could say sth on their defence, but most media don't bother to double check the facts on each side because sensationalism and strengthening stereotypes get more eyeballs.
- tpmx 5y agoDid you already forget what my comment was commenting? It was literally just one step away.
- bserge 5y agoYeah that shit's like "made in China = bad" by now. But I'm not surprised northern countries keep "reporting" on it. Oh no, we found a dozen servers and power tools in some Polish guy's car, must be stolen, they can't afford to buy them second hand! Jesus wept.