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Miners have always been free to implement whatever logic they like, though. If you send out a mass communication saying "Address 0x12345 belongs to a very mean
by sittingplant 5y ago
Miners have always been free to implement whatever logic they like, though. If you send out a mass communication saying "Address 0x12345 belongs to a very mean guy" and every miner out there denies service to that address, the decentralization properties of your system haven't been violated anywhere.
- wmf 5y agoDecentralization usually includes the assumption that parties are acting independently and are not all colluding. [Edit: Following the incentives of the protocol is not collusion. In a crypto context I would define collusion as something like multiple parties working together against their own incentives (e.g. rejecting valid, fee-paying transactions).]
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- cle 5y agoIf nodes in a network are fully independent and not cooperating, then you don't have a network, you have a bunch of disconnected nodes.
- codehalo 5y agoIs cooperating the same as colluding?
- cle 5y agoIn the sense the parent used it, yes. If a majority of banks and businesses agree to block transactions of a known terrorist, is it collusion or cooperation? I don't see a meaningful distinction at that point, other than the negative connotation of "collusion" poisoning the well. Which is why I referred to "cooperation" instead.
- loldk 5y agoWell that depends upon who they're claiming are terrorists, and more importantly to what extent they're capable of pursuading others.
- ineedasername 5y agoThe later has a negative connotation of illegal (or at least secret) cooperation. So it's a form of cooperation.
- ibero 5y agothat’s not a solid assumption. if they can pursue their own interests freely and if those interests they pursue align with the majority or the totality it does not negate their decentralized nature.
- munificent 5y agoWhich is exactly the fundamental flaw in any argument that "decentralization" will somehow solve problems. Humans are social creatures and collusion is the natural order. Humans will cooperate unless doing so is clearly to their detriment.
- cle 5y agoDecentralization doesn't mean isolation and that nobody is cooperating. It's a centrality measure. More decentralized networks have less nodes that hold outsized importance in the network.
- ErikVandeWater 5y agoBut I imagine the reason exchanges are refusing these transactions is at least half because they would be receiving stolen property. I'm not sure but I don't imagine "I'm receiving property stolen from another country" will stand up as a defense in any court.
- phatfish 5y agoDoes law enforcement bother it's self with internet play money? Until it touches an asset or currency governments care about I assumed they just let the kids have their fun.
- ErikVandeWater 5y agoIt's not clear. But the lawyers at these exchanges aren't going to take that risk and will strongly advise against receiving stolen property.
- DSingularity 5y agoIt was marketed as censorship resistant and code is law and blah blah blah.