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At the very least the same percentage that a small business, less than 50 employees, pays in taxes.

by siscia 5y ago

friedman23 5y ago
There has to be more to it than that. You haven't even argued why this is fair by the way. "Fair share" is an emotionally charged political slogan that means something different to everyone. Probably why it's used by so many politicians.
- siscia 5y ago
  I don't have to convince you. That it is my opinion, and you can discard it. But I believe that if we tax small business a certain amount, big corporations should pay, at the very least, the same amount. Again, it is not a scientific argument, it is a political one, and honestly I don't want to be dragged in a technical discussion about taxation.
  - friedman23 5y ago
    You say political, I say emotional.
    - gsk22 5y ago
      And I suppose your political views are based purely on reason and logic? Of course emotions are involved. That isn't inherently bad.
      - friedman23 5y ago
        >And I suppose your political views are based purely on reason and logic? Yes actually. And I definitely don't try to couch my political views in moral stupidity like "fairness" which you are not even capable of explaining. >Of course emotions are involved. That isn't inherently bad. Of course it's not inherently bad. It's definitely bad when you can't even explain your position coherently but feel strongly enough about it to get into heated arguments.
        gsk22 5y ago
        It's delusional to believe you can form political beliefs without emotion coloring the decision in any way. In fact, a rational, logical being would be well aware of how emotions guide our behavior at a subconscious level, and that we can never be totally free from emotion-based decision-making. That doesn't mean we've slaves to our emotions, or must make irrational decisions based on our whims. But it is a foolish thing to say you are 100% free of emotions in your views, especially when that incorrect view is wielded as a cudgel against opposing viewpoints (which we apparently aren't even "capable of explaining").
        friedman23 5y ago
        > But it is a foolish thing to say you are 100% free of emotions in your views No it's not. You just make all these statements that are baseless. I can say my political beliefs are based on rationality because my political beliefs are simple. I never said my views are free from emotion. I said my views are 100% based on reason. I vote in my direct self interest, my values are based on my self interest, my goals are to advance my self interest.
        labawi 5y ago
        I wonder whether you interact with other people, and if you do, what's in your self interest WRT their material and emotional state, free time etc, and then their that of their contacts, etc. E.g. Is it in your self-interest, that people live in a system where 1/300 are toiling away till they can't, so a guy can sit on a rocket? Is it an incredibly simple answer?

At the very least the same percentage that a small business, less than 50 employees, pays in taxes.

by siscia 5y ago

At the very least the same percentage that a small business, less than 50 employees, pays in taxes.

There has to be more to it than that. You haven't even argued why this is fair by the way. "Fair share" is an emotionally charged political slogan that means something different to everyone. Probably why it's used by so many politicians.

siscia 5y ago
I don't have to convince you. That it is my opinion, and you can discard it. But I believe that if we tax small business a certain amount, big corporations should pay, at the very least, the same amount. Again, it is not a scientific argument, it is a political one, and honestly I don't want to be dragged in a technical discussion about taxation.
- friedman23 5y ago
  You say political, I say emotional.
  - gsk22 5y ago
    And I suppose your political views are based purely on reason and logic? Of course emotions are involved. That isn't inherently bad.
    - friedman23 5y ago
      >And I suppose your political views are based purely on reason and logic? Yes actually. And I definitely don't try to couch my political views in moral stupidity like "fairness" which you are not even capable of explaining. >Of course emotions are involved. That isn't inherently bad. Of course it's not inherently bad. It's definitely bad when you can't even explain your position coherently but feel strongly enough about it to get into heated arguments.
      - gsk22 5y ago
        It's delusional to believe you can form political beliefs without emotion coloring the decision in any way. In fact, a rational, logical being would be well aware of how emotions guide our behavior at a subconscious level, and that we can never be totally free from emotion-based decision-making. That doesn't mean we've slaves to our emotions, or must make irrational decisions based on our whims. But it is a foolish thing to say you are 100% free of emotions in your views, especially when that incorrect view is wielded as a cudgel against opposing viewpoints (which we apparently aren't even "capable of explaining").
        friedman23 5y ago
        > But it is a foolish thing to say you are 100% free of emotions in your views No it's not. You just make all these statements that are baseless. I can say my political beliefs are based on rationality because my political beliefs are simple. I never said my views are free from emotion. I said my views are 100% based on reason. I vote in my direct self interest, my values are based on my self interest, my goals are to advance my self interest.
        labawi 5y ago
        I wonder whether you interact with other people, and if you do, what's in your self interest WRT their material and emotional state, free time etc, and then their that of their contacts, etc. E.g. Is it in your self-interest, that people live in a system where 1/300 are toiling away till they can't, so a guy can sit on a rocket? Is it an incredibly simple answer?